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Grumpy_chap said:JKenH said:Grumpy_chap said:Martyn1981 said:
*Not suggesting we all park at CW's, one hell of a detour for 99.99%+ of most people's trips. But now I'm wondering if folk living near Wimbledon, or Wembley Stadium etc, are party to the scheme?
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6336224/renting-out-a-home-charging-point/p2
But would you want the hassle?
I wouldn't want the hassle of "park on my drive" and the "use my charger" only has far more complexity.
Plus, standard rules prohibit making a profit from the reselling of electricity. I know there are exemptions for commercial charge points but I am not entirely sure those exemptions apply to a charge point at a domestic site.
Maybe the scheme work on reselling the electricity at cost but charging extra for the parking space?
There are lots of schemes now in operation, and this link mentions some of them, but the one that appears to be the largest(?), and Octopus Energy have now partnered with is Co Charger.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.0 -
Grumpy_chap said:Martyn1981 said:
*Not suggesting we all park at CW's, one hell of a detour for 99.99%+ of most people's trips. But now I'm wondering if folk living near Wimbledon, or Wembley Stadium etc, are party to the scheme?
There is always a risk that you or your children might scratch your “customer’s” car when squeezing past (perhaps, with a bicycle) if space is tight or your customer might just return to their car and “notice” a scratch that wasn’t there before.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
There are a number of people in nearby villages who use JustPark to rent out their drives with charging socket. A couple are within walking distance of the local railway station. Typical cost is 40p/kWh, but there is an additional parking fee as well. Might make sense for someone without the facilities to charge at home.
6.4kWp (16 * 400Wp REC Alpha) facing ESE + 5kW Huawei inverter + 10kWh Huawei battery. Buckinghamshire.1 -
JKenH said:Edit: in 2021 Tesla sold 34783 Model 3s, 19,071 in 2022 and in 2023 just 13536. There were just 701 non Model Y sales (mainly Model 3s as The S and X are now LHD only) in December, traditionally a good month for Tesla and Model 3, compared to 5704 Model 3 sales in December 2022.
It will be interesting to see if there a big jump in the January figures.1 -
noitsnotme said:JKenH said:Edit: in 2021 Tesla sold 34783 Model 3s, 19,071 in 2022 and in 2023 just 13536. There were just 701 non Model Y sales (mainly Model 3s as The S and X are now LHD only) in December, traditionally a good month for Tesla and Model 3, compared to 5704 Model 3 sales in December 2022.
It will be interesting to see if there a big jump in the January figures.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
Not a new story, it comes up every year, but I am posting because of the graphs shown which suggest the TM3 SR+ might only achieve around half its EPA range at around 0C and 60% or so in ideal conditions. The LR AWD fares the best of the TM3 models. What winter (if we get one) range might we see in the UK?
EVs Lose 30% Of Their Range On Average In The Winter Vs. Ideal Conditions
https://insideevs.com/news/704318/ev-winter-range-loss-vs-ideal-conditions/
By contrast the Hyundai Kona can achieve around 130% of EPA range in ideal conditions but this drops off rapidly below 5C.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
JKenH said:Not a new story, it comes up every year, but I am posting because of the graphs shown which suggest the TM3 SR+ might only achieve around half its EPA range at around 0C and 60% or so in ideal conditions. The LR AWD fares the best of the TM3 models. What winter (if we get one) range might we see in the UK?
EVs Lose 30% Of Their Range On Average In The Winter Vs. Ideal Conditions
https://insideevs.com/news/704318/ev-winter-range-loss-vs-ideal-conditions/
By contrast the Hyundai Kona can achieve around 130% of EPA range in ideal conditions but this drops off rapidly below 5C.
The winter range (32F) without preconditioning is around 225 miles so a 25% drop. Calculating the actual winter range isn't easy because most of the time you preheat the cabin & battery so the impact is reduced. Preheating obviously makes a big difference to short run economy but less so on longer trips.
It'd be interesting to see how Mart & Grumpy's figures compare with mine?4kWp (black/black) - Sofar Inverter - SSE(141°) - 30° pitch - North LincsInstalled June 2013 - PVGIS = 3400Sofar ME3000SP Inverter & 5 x Pylontech US2000B Plus & 3 x US2000C Batteries - 19.2kWh1 -
1961Nick said:
It'd be interesting to see how Mart & Grumpy's figures compare with mine?
Tuesday was the first time (ever) that it was cold enough in the morning for me to try the cabin pre-heat - lovely extra comfort.
It was frosty yesterday, but I did not need to use the car.
I have so say, I have two fairly regular journeys that I am making at the moment and I have not seen a marked difference in the range remaining that would be statistically significant.
The onboard display is not showing as low energy consumption (Wh/mile) as the best I saw, so that may indicate things are being affected.
I will post monthly miles/kWh for December and January once February arrives.0 -
1961Nick said:JKenH said:Not a new story, it comes up every year, but I am posting because of the graphs shown which suggest the TM3 SR+ might only achieve around half its EPA range at around 0C and 60% or so in ideal conditions. The LR AWD fares the best of the TM3 models. What winter (if we get one) range might we see in the UK?
EVs Lose 30% Of Their Range On Average In The Winter Vs. Ideal Conditions
https://insideevs.com/news/704318/ev-winter-range-loss-vs-ideal-conditions/
By contrast the Hyundai Kona can achieve around 130% of EPA range in ideal conditions but this drops off rapidly below 5C.
The winter range (32F) without preconditioning is around 225 miles so a 25% drop. Calculating the actual winter range isn't easy because most of the time you preheat the cabin & battery so the impact is reduced. Preheating obviously makes a big difference to short run economy but less so on longer trips.
It'd be interesting to see how Mart & Grumpy's figures compare with mine?
Fun to see the wh/mile in the 500 to 1,000 range at the start of a drive in very cold, or very hot weather, then quickly settling down after a mile or so. Last week drove about 22 miles (2 x 11), with a break of several hours inbetween. Averaged under 300Wh, despite several miles in both directions at about 90(ish) and very cold start for the first leg, with reduced regen warnings at the start.
For lots of mini trips, then the impact of cabin heating etc is higher (as you say), so around 400Wh/mile (2.5m/kWh), but of course similar impact on an ICEV with cold engine/cabin, and such trips aren't a range concern as car can be charged as needed.
Very, very wet roads are when I see the worst efficiencies, due to drag, so not a BEV specific issue.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.0 -
These are my consumption figures (Wh/mile) for 2023 measured at 3 points of reference:
Trip computer: 282
Battery: 311
Electricity meter: 330
(11,123 miles)
4kWp (black/black) - Sofar Inverter - SSE(141°) - 30° pitch - North LincsInstalled June 2013 - PVGIS = 3400Sofar ME3000SP Inverter & 5 x Pylontech US2000B Plus & 3 x US2000C Batteries - 19.2kWh0
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