Buyer wants to come over

Slithery

I would agree to anything the buyer asks for.

They haven't yet asked for a reduction and by refusing you're making it look like you are hiding something.

AskAsk

Slithery said:

I would agree to anything the buyer asks for.

They haven't yet asked for a reduction and by refusing you're making it look like you are hiding something.

I think it is the buyer that is hiding things in this instance as he has not disclosed what the issues from the survey are that he wants his builder to come over and quote for! 

As he had instructed his own surveyor instead of using the surveyor from the bank who came round to value the property for the mortgage, you would expect that the surveyor would be very good and would be able to identify any problems.  You won't be able to hide things from a good surveyor so he would know I am not trying to hide anything because he had employed his own surveyor.

Thank you for the feedback guys as it would seem that I should allow access with the EA present and to state non invasive inspection only but I want to find out what these issues are from the survey first.  Still not heard back from him about these supposed issues.

jaelato1

You do know as buyer I never use lenders surveyor so nothing out of ordinary there.

However, it's beginning look like you are one hiding something because how can you be selling an EMPTY house and buyer can't have multiple views, I mean you don't even live there but good luck

saajan_12

AskAsk said:

nicknameless said:

tbh if I was your buyer I would suspect you were hiding something insisting this happen after exchange.  Understand concern about just handing over keys but perhaps arrange to be there, or EA to be there for duration if you can't be?

edited to add - I didn't read your post carefully enough.  If only new kitchen and bathroom that is different.  I would still try to accommodate if at all possible though.

my concern is that the buyer is already demonstrating he is not honest.  If he asked for access because there are problems highlighted in the survey, it is quite normal to list what these are, but he has not done so and still hasn't disclosed what they are, why the secret?

I don't ask for builders to come round to people's properties to give me quotes for updating the property before purchase as the whole thing may fall through anyway but it is not yet my property to get free run and go in to measure things that can be done after purchase but was interested in other people's views.

Really?! What difference does it make to you what the purpose of the visit is ? (barring the level of physical invasiveness / damage to the property which you can decide what to allow). There is no expectation they would reveal their survey findings to you unless actually asking for a discount based on those. So there is no honesty/dishonesty if they don't share that with you - it has nothing to do with you. 

Why the secret about the state of the property, particularly anything that may have been missed the first time or because the buyer isn't a builder? It is quite normal to allow visits to determine the condition and cost to get it into the ideal condition they want it upon / soon after completion. As many visits as it takes to grasp this and decide on whether to buy. 

To be clear, other peoples' views are to allow the visit, accompanied and with the conditions on how invasive they can be, but WITHOUT any conditions on providing you survey findings or purpose of the visit beforehand. If / when they get to 5+ visits, then talk, until then they're being perfectly reasonable. 

nicknameless

AskAsk said:

Slithery said:

I would agree to anything the buyer asks for.

They haven't yet asked for a reduction and by refusing you're making it look like you are hiding something.

I think it is the buyer that is hiding things in this instance as he has not disclosed what the issues from the survey are that he wants his builder to come over and quote for! 

As he had instructed his own surveyor instead of using the surveyor from the bank who came round to value the property for the mortgage, you would expect that the surveyor would be very good and would be able to identify any problems.  You won't be able to hide things from a good surveyor so he would know I am not trying to hide anything because he had employed his own surveyor.

Thank you for the feedback guys as it would seem that I should allow access with the EA present and to state non invasive inspection only but I want to find out what these issues are from the survey first.  Still not heard back from him about these supposed issues.

No offence but I am glad you are not my vendor.

Went round yesterday with contractor to survey for work in the garden post completion.  Vendor not in so gave us the code to the side access so we could get on with it ourselves.   No ulterior motives - just excited about the purchase and need quotes from a contractor now as they have a lead time of approx. 2-3 months.

Not the exact same circumstance obviously but it is reasonably clear our vendors want to facilitate our investment of a significant amount of money and effort and we are pleased that they are demonstrating that.

Just let them in?

BikingBud

AskAsk said:

Slithery said:

I would agree to anything the buyer asks for.

They haven't yet asked for a reduction and by refusing you're making it look like you are hiding something.

I think it is the buyer that is hiding things in this instance as he has not disclosed what the issues from the survey are that he wants his builder to come over and quote for! 

As he had instructed his own surveyor instead of using the surveyor from the bank who came round to value the property for the mortgage, you would expect that the surveyor would be very good and would be able to identify any problems.  You won't be able to hide things from a good surveyor so he would know I am not trying to hide anything because he had employed his own surveyor.

Thank you for the feedback guys as it would seem that I should allow access with the EA present and to state non invasive inspection only but I want to find out what these issues are from the survey first.  Still not heard back from him about these supposed issues.

Have you asked or are you surmising?

If you've asked you should be fully aware of their intent and permit or be in a firm position to object. Your comments suggest you do not know!

warwick2001

AskAsk said:

Slithery said:

I would agree to anything the buyer asks for.

They haven't yet asked for a reduction and by refusing you're making it look like you are hiding something.

I think it is the buyer that is hiding things in this instance as he has not disclosed what the issues from the survey are that he wants his builder to come over and quote for! 

As he had instructed his own surveyor instead of using the surveyor from the bank who came round to value the property for the mortgage, you would expect that the surveyor would be very good and would be able to identify any problems.  You won't be able to hide things from a good surveyor so he would know I am not trying to hide anything because he had employed his own surveyor.

Thank you for the feedback guys as it would seem that I should allow access with the EA present and to state non invasive inspection only but I want to find out what these issues are from the survey first.  Still not heard back from him about these supposed issues.

As I said previously, he might not be able to disclose the issues without the surveying companies permission, something he won't need unless he makes a more formal approach in regards renegotiation of price (to back up his revised offer with evidence of issues). 

But that being said, ultimately, the survey he commissioned (and paid for) is for his consideration only, not yours. Daft in my opinion, but that's the way it is.

AskAsk

BikingBud said:

AskAsk said:

Slithery said:

I would agree to anything the buyer asks for.

They haven't yet asked for a reduction and by refusing you're making it look like you are hiding something.

I think it is the buyer that is hiding things in this instance as he has not disclosed what the issues from the survey are that he wants his builder to come over and quote for! 

As he had instructed his own surveyor instead of using the surveyor from the bank who came round to value the property for the mortgage, you would expect that the surveyor would be very good and would be able to identify any problems.  You won't be able to hide things from a good surveyor so he would know I am not trying to hide anything because he had employed his own surveyor.

Thank you for the feedback guys as it would seem that I should allow access with the EA present and to state non invasive inspection only but I want to find out what these issues are from the survey first.  Still not heard back from him about these supposed issues.

Have you asked or are you surmising?

If you've asked you should be fully aware of their intent and permit or be in a firm position to object. Your comments suggest you do not know!

you haven't read the comments in the post.  the EA has already gone back to him last week to ask what the problems were from the survey that the builder wants to inspect but he hasn't come back with what they are.  He had come back with the reply that the builder is coming round to measure the kitchen and bathroom for replacemement.  The EA is waiting for him to let her know what the issues are from the survey for the inspection.

She finally heard back from him today that there isn't any issue with the survey as he had originally said, so it is only to measure and quote for a new kitchen and bathroom.  I have agreed to the inspection with the EA accompanied and that no invasive inspection is to be done that will result in damage, like lifting the laminate flooring, tiles etc.

BikingBud

AskAsk said:

BikingBud said:

AskAsk said:

Slithery said:

I would agree to anything the buyer asks for.

They haven't yet asked for a reduction and by refusing you're making it look like you are hiding something.

I think it is the buyer that is hiding things in this instance as he has not disclosed what the issues from the survey are that he wants his builder to come over and quote for! 

As he had instructed his own surveyor instead of using the surveyor from the bank who came round to value the property for the mortgage, you would expect that the surveyor would be very good and would be able to identify any problems.  You won't be able to hide things from a good surveyor so he would know I am not trying to hide anything because he had employed his own surveyor.

Thank you for the feedback guys as it would seem that I should allow access with the EA present and to state non invasive inspection only but I want to find out what these issues are from the survey first.  Still not heard back from him about these supposed issues.

Have you asked or are you surmising?

If you've asked you should be fully aware of their intent and permit or be in a firm position to object. Your comments suggest you do not know!

you haven't read the comments in the post.  the EA has already gone back to him last week to ask what the problems were from the survey that the builder wants to inspect but he hasn't come back with what they are.  He had come back with the reply that the builder is coming round to measure the kitchen and bathroom for replacemement.  The EA is waiting for him to let her know what the issues are from the survey for the inspection.

She finally heard back from him today that there isn't any issue with the survey as he had originally said, so it is only to measure and quote for a new kitchen and bathroom.  I have agreed to the inspection with the EA accompanied and that no invasive inspection is to be done that will result in damage, like lifting the laminate flooring, tiles etc.

I have read the comment.

But in the post I quoted you repeated that you did not know what the issues are, still. So I would suggest the query was appropriate. 

If you are concerned about the potential for problems then addressing it with the purchasers is the correct route not expecting people on a web site who have only the information that you wish to post to interpret and assume what is going on.

But it now appears there are no problems!

And now your only concern is if a builder looking at a property to provide initial cost estimates will do anything intrusive that may reduce the value of the property?

Why don't you attend and supervise the builder, you may have a win-win and be able to provide useful advice that assists the builder in understanding the property?

Chandler85

The whole issue is to do with trust, if you have an empty property that requires work, the buyer has had it surveyed and not asked for  a reduction then I wouldn't worry to much.  Personally I have done this twice, once we visited an empty house 4-5 times, unsupervised because the vendor knew it needed a full rewire, central heating installed, new windows etc.  We made it clear that we knew all these issues existed and it was merely to get quotes (which it was).  After the survey we also didn't renegotiate as we knew what needed doing.

On move in day, on this property there was no electrics working and the new windows were already started, the central heating was put in after exchange before completion as long as we paid the fitter upfront.  Maybe we had a really nice vendor.

Another purchase I was allowed to visit e unaccompanied (was quite far down the process), again an empty property, that was being sold as seen though.  The same vendor also allowed me to cut the locks to the shed and garage as the keys were lost as long as I replaced them and gave the estate agent the keys.  I mean you can't buy a sold as seen house or get it supervised without going into a garage.