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jimbo6977

regarding charging losses, if a petrol pump was sending only 85-95% of the recorded amount of petrol to customers' tanks the station would be shut down and the owner prosecuted. but in EV world this is all tickety-boo it seems. 

Herzlos

MouldyOldDough said:

What will happen to the UK EV industry now that the lithium battery site will not go ahead? 

The refinery in Teeside? have you got a link to it being cancelled?

Given that the UK EV industry seems to be doing fine with demand long outstripping supply without it, I don't think it's going to cause any problems for the UK EV industry.

Obviously, it'd be better if it went ahead, but I don't think you're going to see the doom you're hoping for.

tedted

i think hes talking about britishvolt going into administration

Jenni_D

jimbo6977 said:

regarding charging losses, if a petrol pump was sending only 85-95% of the recorded amount of petrol to customers' tanks the station would be shut down and the owner prosecuted. but in EV world this is all tickety-boo it seems. 

🙄

Another pointless whataboutery. How much energy is expended (lost) pumping the fuel? How much is lost getting the fuel to the filling station? How much is lost in producing the fuel? (And all this before we consider the energy transfer efficiency of an ICE engine).

Herzlos

tedted said:

i think hes talking about britishvolt going into administration

That makes more sense, here's an article : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64303149
It says that:
"The UK currently only has one Chinese-owned battery plant next to the Nissan factory in Sunderland, while 35 plants are planned or already under construction in the European Union.

Industry experts have said the UK will need several battery factories to support the future of UK car making as pure petrol and diesel engines are phased out over the next decade."

So it just means buying the batteries from the EU and all of the logistical issues associated with that. It's certainly not going to be the downfall of the EV industry.

It also means more cost for us, yay!

MouldyOldDough

tedted said:

i think hes talking about britishvolt going into administration

I certainly am

MouldyOldDough

Herzlos said:

tedted said:

i think hes talking about britishvolt going into administration

That makes more sense, here's an article : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64303149
It says that:
"The UK currently only has one Chinese-owned battery plant next to the Nissan factory in Sunderland, while 35 plants are planned or already under construction in the European Union.

Industry experts have said the UK will need several battery factories to support the future of UK car making as pure petrol and diesel engines are phased out over the next decade."

So it just means buying the batteries from the EU and all of the logistical issues associated with that. It's certainly not going to be the downfall of the EV industry.

It also means more cost for

And possible shortages - due to that word" brexit"
I mean - during shortages - why would Europe want to help a country that doesnt want anything to do with Europe?
The government has 7 years to get this sorted or UK will be in the stuck
Unless it changes its plans to stop IC cars 

jimbo6977

Jenni_D said:

jimbo6977 said:

regarding charging losses, if a petrol pump was sending only 85-95% of the recorded amount of petrol to customers' tanks the station would be shut down and the owner prosecuted. but in EV world this is all tickety-boo it seems. 

🙄

Another pointless whataboutery. How much energy is expended (lost) pumping the fuel? How much is lost getting the fuel to the filling station? How much is lost in producing the fuel? (And all this before we consider the energy transfer efficiency of an ICE engine).

it's not whataboutery, it's simple case of paying for quantity M of a product and receiving quantity M x 9/10

regardless of how the product got to the dispensing point, and what the customer does with the product afterwards, how is this acceptable?

Martyn1981

jimbo6977 said:

Jenni_D said:

jimbo6977 said:

regarding charging losses, if a petrol pump was sending only 85-95% of the recorded amount of petrol to customers' tanks the station would be shut down and the owner prosecuted. but in EV world this is all tickety-boo it seems. 

🙄

Another pointless whataboutery. How much energy is expended (lost) pumping the fuel? How much is lost getting the fuel to the filling station? How much is lost in producing the fuel? (And all this before we consider the energy transfer efficiency of an ICE engine).

it's not whataboutery, it's simple case of paying for quantity M of a product and receiving quantity M x 9/10

regardless of how the product got to the dispensing point, and what the customer does with the product afterwards, how is this acceptable?

But you're happy only getting about 20% of the energy from the petrol to the wheel?

Herzlos

jimbo6977 said:

Jenni_D said:

jimbo6977 said:

regarding charging losses, if a petrol pump was sending only 85-95% of the recorded amount of petrol to customers' tanks the station would be shut down and the owner prosecuted. but in EV world this is all tickety-boo it seems. 

🙄

Another pointless whataboutery. How much energy is expended (lost) pumping the fuel? How much is lost getting the fuel to the filling station? How much is lost in producing the fuel? (And all this before we consider the energy transfer efficiency of an ICE engine).

it's not whataboutery, it's simple case of paying for quantity M of a product and receiving quantity M x 9/10

regardless of how the product got to the dispensing point, and what the customer does with the product afterwards, how is this acceptable?

How much petrol do people waste driving to petrol stations?

Electricity efficiency losses happen with every electrical device, it's just how it works and I can't really see it being a sticking point for anyone?