Moving van parking for house with zigzag/double yellow lines in front of it?

diystarter7

Section62 said:

diystarter7 said:

Slithery said:

No. They can't do that...
https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/legal/parking-guide-yellow-lines

They will need to park somewhere else and bring in all of your contents by hand.

Wrong. You may be able to park there subject to the rules as per signage that is with the yellow lines.

To be fair, the AA's guide is also incorrect.

E.g. when loading there is no requirement that the goods are "heavy", nor do you have to "quickly stop".

That may indeed be the case but you was clearly wrong.

It's not just the AA, read the RAC re yellow lines, zig zag, etc etc.

OP, just tell and confirm in writing re zig zag and yellow lines. However, any good removal co etc would ask questions like that just like Currys and other large delivery people do EG, car we park outside your property, any restricts, access problems etc.


Good luck with the move.

Section62

diystarter7 said:

Section62 said:

diystarter7 said:

Slithery said:

No. They can't do that...
https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/legal/parking-guide-yellow-lines

They will need to park somewhere else and bring in all of your contents by hand.

Wrong. You may be able to park there subject to the rules as per signage that is with the yellow lines.

To be fair, the AA's guide is also incorrect.

E.g. when loading there is no requirement that the goods are "heavy", nor do you have to "quickly stop".

That may indeed be the case but you was clearly wrong.

It's not just the AA, read the RAC re yellow lines, zig zag, etc etc.

What specifically do you think I've got "clearly wrong"?

If I needed clarification of something I wouldn't use the AA or RAC as a source.  I'd read the TSRGD and Traffic Signs Manual, and review relevant cases from the parking adjudicators.

p00hsticks

It's a few years ago now, and may vary from council to council, but as I remeber it we contacted the local council in advance and they gave us a parking dispensation to allow the removal van to park on double yellow lines outside the house - I think they stuck advance notices on the nearest loamposts to say that parking restrictions were being lifted for the day and gave us some sort of paperwork to pass to the removal company.

p00hsticks

p00hsticks said:

It's a few years ago now, and may vary from council to council, but as I remeber it we contacted the local council in advance and they gave us a parking dispensation to allow the removal van to park on double yellow lines outside the house - I think they stuck advance notices on the nearest loamposts to say that parking restrictions were being lifted for the day and gave us some sort of paperwork to pass to the removal company.

To follow up - here's the appropriate page for scarborough council, see if there's something similar for your local council

https://www.scarborough.gov.uk/home/parking/parking-suspensions-and-dispensations

eddddy

The removal firm are the experienced professionals - it's probably best to let them decide how  to deal with loading restrictions, etc.

You can tell them about the zigzags and double yellow lines (they might specifically ask), but I suspect they'll also take a look on Google streetview and see them anyway.


If you do decide to say anything more to the removal firm, you should include very clear disclaimers like "I phoned the council and they said x, y and z. But don't take my word for that, you should phone them yourselves to check."

(But the removal people might be thinking "I wish these amateurs would stop trying to tell us how to do our job. We've been doing removals for x years, but customers still think they know more about loading restrictions than we do.")



Edit to add...
Some businesses just regard parking tickets as a cost of doing business.

i.e. They'd rather park outside on a double yellow line and pay a £70 parking ticket, than park around the corner and spend an extra hour carrying stuff from the van.

sevenhills

t1redmonkey said:

  For moving purposes, is it ok for the moving-in van to park on the double yellow lines since they will be unloading continuously?

A removals van would not be classed as parking, unless they literally parked the van, locked the doors and left it there.
It is ok to unload on double yellow lines, the van would normally have it's doors open. So a warden walking past would know that it is unloading and NOT parked.

Section62

sevenhills said:

t1redmonkey said:

  For moving purposes, is it ok for the moving-in van to park on the double yellow lines since they will be unloading continuously?

A removals van would not be classed as parking, unless they literally parked the van, locked the doors and left it there.
It is ok to unload on double yellow lines, the van would normally have it's doors open. So a warden walking past would know that it is unloading and NOT parked.

BiB - only if there isn't a loading restriction operating at the time.

Doors being open or not isn't a relevant factor in whether a vehicle is stopped for the purpose of loading.  Cash-in-transit vehicles typically don't leave their doors open, but are recognised to be 'loading' when stopped on yellow lines during hours of operation.

These days it is assumed that drivers should close their doors, even while loading, because of the risk of theft.

theartfullodger

Increasing the risk of crashes or impact for road users especially pedestrians is unwise, unnessarily dangerous and not the act of a decent citizen.  You surely know the answer to you question?  Do the right thing.

Consider the consequences of say mum with pram hit... Heaven forfend 

Best wishes to all.

user1977

theartfullodger said:

Increasing the risk of crashes or impact for road users especially pedestrians is unwise, unnessarily dangerous and not the act of a decent citizen.  You surely know the answer to you question?  Do the right thing.

Consider the consequences of say mum with pram hit... Heaven forfend 

Or a nun with a pram full of kittens.

As already explained, the presence of double yellow lines does not imply that it's dangerous for a vehicle to be merely stopped there, and unloading is (generally) permitted. Consider that blue badge holders are permitted to park on double yellows (assuming no additional restrictions and that they're not causing an actual obstruction).

newsgroupmonkey_

Just a FYI, if the zig zag lines are white (pedestrian crossing), then there is no way the removal folk will park there.

That's a £100 FPN and 3 points.