conflict over the fence with housing managment company

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Hmmm, referring to a neighbours car as 'their old banger' seems to suggest a lack of respect for other people's property.

Your kids are hitting their ball into your neighbours property and hitting their cars.... maybe no damage but I would find that quite annoying.

It seems the problem here is mostly of your own making and you expect the neighbours to fix it or pay for solutions.

The answers may not be what you wanted to hear but hopefully you'll take them on board and adjust your attitude towards your neighbours and maybe see things a little bit from their point of view?

Debbie9009

werdas said:

Debbie9009 said:

I also would not be happy about a ball hitting my car, it doesn’t matter if it’s an old banger, or a brand new Porsche.  

I really don’t understand why you would think this is ok, and I suspect you won’t get anywhere with having the hedge cut until that issue is resolved.

in all those years ball hit his car max 4 times, it is not like it is constantly hit, 

That still doesn’t make it acceptable 

Emmia

If the ball did damage the car are you in a position to pay for repairs? 

davemorton

Op, you mentioned your neighbours 'old' car in the corner, possibly a 'skyline'.  Just a heads up, incase the ball does damage it, currently there are a few for sale on pistonheads (car forum).  Their prices are ‎£32,995.00 to £245,000.00.  Not a cheap repair for you to fork out for if the ball does some damage. 

jonnydeppiwish!

Op

From reading the information you have given, I can’t see any issue with the hedge.

Its 2m high - great so it’s at its legal height.

The flat management company have left it at that height because you’re not willing to take steps to prevent your children’s basketball from hitting residents cars.

The management company won’t cut your side of the hedge - you cut it and return the cuttings to the other side as is your legal right.

Frustrating as the ‘lost of light’ may be, it’s predominantly of your own making. There is no legal standing for loss of light from a hedge that’s at 2m high.

What can you do?

Move/discard the basketball hoop or put in some sort of preventative measure to stop the potential for balls to hit flat residents cars.

Once that is in place, go round with some cake and ask politely if they’ll cut the hedge lower. Even offer to pay for it yourself.

Maskface

I know you may think it's the neighbour who is the problem but this is being caused primarily by the basketball and you need to look at the role you are playing in this conflict. It's not all one sided. It isn't fair that your neighbour should pay for a net to stop the ball going over. The neighbourly thing to do seeing as you are causing that part of the problem is to pay for the net yourself. But aside from that, have you any idea how irritating it is for other people having to keep listening to the ball bouncing on the floor? We had a neighbour who used to put wooden scateboard jumps in the street for their kids to play on, even though we only lived across the road from a park. The noise was a persistent nuisance to everyone on the street and it wasn't fair on other people having to listen to it every day. If the neighbour were to complain to the council that this was causing a nuisance there's a good chance you'd be asked to move it anyway, it's not the neighbours problem if the ball won't bounce on grass. When I was a child our parents used to take us to the park or playground to play basketball, not keep banging the ball outside annoying the neighbours with it. There's a saying that if you are not a part of the solution then you must be a part of the problem. I think you are a part of the problem and if I were the neighbour I probably would have complained to the council long before now that it was causing a nuisance. I'm not sure what legal protection you believe you have but I think you may be misinterpreting the right to light legislation, but your bigger issue right now is working with your neighbour so that they don't make a complaint about you causing a nuisance to them because you could be seen to be being unreasonable yourself. 

jonnydeppiwish!

Maskface said:

I know you may think it's the neighbour who is the problem but this is being caused primarily by the basketball and you need to look at the role you are playing in this conflict. It's not all one sided. It isn't fair that your neighbour should pay for a net to stop the ball going over. The neighbourly thing to do seeing as you are causing that part of the problem is to pay for the net yourself. But aside from that, have you any idea how irritating it is for other people having to keep listening to the ball bouncing on the floor? We had a neighbour who used to put wooden scateboard jumps in the street for their kids to play on, even though we only lived across the road from a park. The noise was a persistent nuisance to everyone on the street and it wasn't fair on other people having to listen to it every day. If the neighbour were to complain to the council that this was causing a nuisance there's a good chance you'd be asked to move it anyway, it's not the neighbours problem if the ball won't bounce on grass. When I was a child our parents used to take us to the park or playground to play basketball, not keep banging the ball outside annoying the neighbours with it. There's a saying that if you are not a part of the solution then you must be a part of the problem. I think you are a part of the problem and if I were the neighbour I probably would have complained to the council long before now that it was causing a nuisance. I'm not sure what legal protection you believe you have but I think you may be misinterpreting the right to light legislation, but your bigger issue right now is working with your neighbour so that they don't make a complaint about you causing a nuisance to them because you could be seen to be being unreasonable yourself. 

Why on earth would the council do anything about a kid playing basketball?

Emmia

jonnydeppiwish! said:

Maskface said:

I know you may think it's the neighbour who is the problem but this is being caused primarily by the basketball and you need to look at the role you are playing in this conflict. It's not all one sided. It isn't fair that your neighbour should pay for a net to stop the ball going over. The neighbourly thing to do seeing as you are causing that part of the problem is to pay for the net yourself. But aside from that, have you any idea how irritating it is for other people having to keep listening to the ball bouncing on the floor? We had a neighbour who used to put wooden scateboard jumps in the street for their kids to play on, even though we only lived across the road from a park. The noise was a persistent nuisance to everyone on the street and it wasn't fair on other people having to listen to it every day. If the neighbour were to complain to the council that this was causing a nuisance there's a good chance you'd be asked to move it anyway, it's not the neighbours problem if the ball won't bounce on grass. When I was a child our parents used to take us to the park or playground to play basketball, not keep banging the ball outside annoying the neighbours with it. There's a saying that if you are not a part of the solution then you must be a part of the problem. I think you are a part of the problem and if I were the neighbour I probably would have complained to the council long before now that it was causing a nuisance. I'm not sure what legal protection you believe you have but I think you may be misinterpreting the right to light legislation, but your bigger issue right now is working with your neighbour so that they don't make a complaint about you causing a nuisance to them because you could be seen to be being unreasonable yourself. 

Why on earth would the council do anything about a kid playing basketball?

The neighbours might decide that a kid playing basketball out the front on the street isn't being looked after properly and call social services? I'm being slightly facetious, as the child should be safe to play at the front of the house, but...

The noise will be unbelievably irritating as won't be continuous, like a drone which you'd zone out on (like road noise) or in a regular pattern (like train noise) it will be random as it's a kid bouncing a ball - summer is coming too and so the prospect of more hours of this noise, 7 days a week for a few months might seem an unwelcome prospect to the neighbours who might decide to report it.

Edit: Also, just because previous impacts appear to have caused no damage, has no bearing on whether the next impact will. The next impact could crack the windscreen, cause a dent by hitting a more delicate section of the vehicle - are you personally in a position financially to cover this, whatever the cost?

Maskface

jonnydeppiwish! said:

Maskface said:

I know you may think it's the neighbour who is the problem but this is being caused primarily by the basketball and you need to look at the role you are playing in this conflict. It's not all one sided. It isn't fair that your neighbour should pay for a net to stop the ball going over. The neighbourly thing to do seeing as you are causing that part of the problem is to pay for the net yourself. But aside from that, have you any idea how irritating it is for other people having to keep listening to the ball bouncing on the floor? We had a neighbour who used to put wooden scateboard jumps in the street for their kids to play on, even though we only lived across the road from a park. The noise was a persistent nuisance to everyone on the street and it wasn't fair on other people having to listen to it every day. If the neighbour were to complain to the council that this was causing a nuisance there's a good chance you'd be asked to move it anyway, it's not the neighbours problem if the ball won't bounce on grass. When I was a child our parents used to take us to the park or playground to play basketball, not keep banging the ball outside annoying the neighbours with it. There's a saying that if you are not a part of the solution then you must be a part of the problem. I think you are a part of the problem and if I were the neighbour I probably would have complained to the council long before now that it was causing a nuisance. I'm not sure what legal protection you believe you have but I think you may be misinterpreting the right to light legislation, but your bigger issue right now is working with your neighbour so that they don't make a complaint about you causing a nuisance to them because you could be seen to be being unreasonable yourself. 

Why on earth would the council do anything about a kid playing basketball?

They'd be doing something about a persistent nuisance. Other people have a right to quiet enjoyment of their homes too without the constant banging of the ball and items going over the fence bouncing off their property repeatedly. This could easily be construed as anti social behaviour because OP knows it is causing issues with the neighbour but does nothing to prevent it causing a nuisance to them. 

pinkshoes

werdas said:

Debbie9009 said:

I also would not be happy about a ball hitting my car, it doesn’t matter if it’s an old banger, or a brand new Porsche.  

I really don’t understand why you would think this is ok, and I suspect you won’t get anywhere with having the hedge cut until that issue is resolved.

in all those years ball hit his car max 4 times, it is not like it is constantly hit, 

It only has to hit it once, then every time the neighbour hears the ball bouncing he will feel anxious of the ball hitting his car again.

It's your responsibility to keep ball in your boundary.

Just pay for one of those tall nets to stop the ball boucing over.

Then the hedge can be cut.

You want light. They want no balls. The problem is your own making.