Accepting a job offer but I may change my mind

JReacher1

TELLIT01 said:

JReacher1 said:

Despite your assertions company B won't be blackballing the OP from any future employment opportunities as they won't take this decision personally, in business a situation like this happens all the time.  Company B will almost certainly have a second candidate for the job who they have not rejected yet and will then probably offer the job to.

Some will but others won't.  If I had recruited somebody who accepted and then turned down a job they wouldn't be top of my list to recruit if another vacancy came along.  Why should I be any more confident they wouldn't do the same thing again?

You're confusing the individual with the company.  Although it is possible that the person who offered the position may feel slighted and hold a grudge the company itself won't.  The job market is very competitive at the moment and the employee has never had so much power.

In fact if anyone was going to blackball the OP it would probably be the company he is currently employed at.  They have only been employed for a year and have left to do the same job for a new company after turning down a salary increase at his current place of work.  That is far more likely to lead to a "do not reemploy" status associated with the employee as opposed to the new company.

I feel we are digressing though but back to my original point which is the OP is not a "Low life" for choosing to stay with the company he is at if they offer him a payrise.

Smithcom

JReacher1 said:

TELLIT01 said:

JReacher1 said:

Despite your assertions company B won't be blackballing the OP from any future employment opportunities as they won't take this decision personally, in business a situation like this happens all the time.  Company B will almost certainly have a second candidate for the job who they have not rejected yet and will then probably offer the job to.

Some will but others won't.  If I had recruited somebody who accepted and then turned down a job they wouldn't be top of my list to recruit if another vacancy came along.  Why should I be any more confident they wouldn't do the same thing again?

You're confusing the individual with the company.  Although it is possible that the person who offered the position may feel slighted and hold a grudge the company itself won't.  The job market is very competitive at the moment and the employee has never had so much power.

In fact if anyone was going to blackball the OP it would probably be the company he is currently employed at.  They have only been employed for a year and have left to do the same job for a new company after turning down a salary increase at his current place of work.  That is far more likely to lead to a "do not reemploy" status associated with the employee as opposed to the new company.

I feel we are digressing though but back to my original point which is the OP is not a "Low life" for choosing to stay with the company he is at if they offer him a payrise.

My comments are not because they are considering remaining with the current employer.  That is completely understandable.

The OP appears to be strategically sitting on the new job, knowing that they will likely look to remain with the current employer.

99% of businesses in the UK are SMEs, in which case the individual and the company are very closely intertwined.  If one is offended by the OP's behaviour, often, so will be the other.

I stand by my view.

gettingtheresometime

Greymug said:

Hello fellow workers.

I'm asking for advice on how to deal with a situation. Any help from previous experience is welcome.

So, I have a job which I don't mind. I don't love it nor hate it and it's got its pros and cons just like every other job.

Anyway, I received a job offer from another company; good salary, slightly higher than my current one and the job is pretty much equivalent (same role, same type of company, same industry). This new company is asking me to give them an answer and I have a 1 week deadline to decide.

Of course since I'm not unhappy at my job, I want to let my company know about this other offer and see if they can give me a pay rise. If they decided to give me a pay rise (which is likely), this would require a series of approvals that take longer than 1 week.

So my question is this: can I accept the new job offer, wait until I know if I get a pay rise, and then eventually change my mind and say oh well I don't want the new job anymore? So far I just have an offer letter, but no contract with all the details. 

Be careful - I did exactly this once & yes the company I worked for gave me a pay rise. What I soon realised was that the salary issue was masking other issues. 

Oh & you'll only be able to do this once so be careful.

Greymug

Smithcom said:

JReacher1 said:

TELLIT01 said:

JReacher1 said:

Despite your assertions company B won't be blackballing the OP from any future employment opportunities as they won't take this decision personally, in business a situation like this happens all the time.  Company B will almost certainly have a second candidate for the job who they have not rejected yet and will then probably offer the job to.

Some will but others won't.  If I had recruited somebody who accepted and then turned down a job they wouldn't be top of my list to recruit if another vacancy came along.  Why should I be any more confident they wouldn't do the same thing again?

You're confusing the individual with the company.  Although it is possible that the person who offered the position may feel slighted and hold a grudge the company itself won't.  The job market is very competitive at the moment and the employee has never had so much power.

In fact if anyone was going to blackball the OP it would probably be the company he is currently employed at.  They have only been employed for a year and have left to do the same job for a new company after turning down a salary increase at his current place of work.  That is far more likely to lead to a "do not reemploy" status associated with the employee as opposed to the new company.

I feel we are digressing though but back to my original point which is the OP is not a "Low life" for choosing to stay with the company he is at if they offer him a payrise.

The OP appears to be strategically sitting on the new job, knowing that they will likely look to remain with the current employer.

I am indeed keeping the new employer B warm while I negotiate a pay rise with my current employer A.

And to be honest, I think the employer B kind of had it coming. When I applied for the role I was crystal clear about how much I'm making at employer A. I also told them it would be likely for me to receive a counter offer from A.

Employer B knew about this, also knew about how competitive the job market is at the moment, and yet they made me an offer than yes it is higher than what I'm currently getting, but not that much higher. 

Some companies come to play, some companies come to win. Employer B should have made me an offer that I couldn't refuse, rather than take a risk to save a penny. Weird, they are a big company with 50k+ employees so they should know better.

NCC1701-A

Greymug said:

Smithcom said:

JReacher1 said:

TELLIT01 said:

JReacher1 said:

Despite your assertions company B won't be blackballing the OP from any future employment opportunities as they won't take this decision personally, in business a situation like this happens all the time.  Company B will almost certainly have a second candidate for the job who they have not rejected yet and will then probably offer the job to.

Some will but others won't.  If I had recruited somebody who accepted and then turned down a job they wouldn't be top of my list to recruit if another vacancy came along.  Why should I be any more confident they wouldn't do the same thing again?

You're confusing the individual with the company.  Although it is possible that the person who offered the position may feel slighted and hold a grudge the company itself won't.  The job market is very competitive at the moment and the employee has never had so much power.

In fact if anyone was going to blackball the OP it would probably be the company he is currently employed at.  They have only been employed for a year and have left to do the same job for a new company after turning down a salary increase at his current place of work.  That is far more likely to lead to a "do not reemploy" status associated with the employee as opposed to the new company.

I feel we are digressing though but back to my original point which is the OP is not a "Low life" for choosing to stay with the company he is at if they offer him a payrise.

The OP appears to be strategically sitting on the new job, knowing that they will likely look to remain with the current employer.

I am indeed keeping the new employer B warm while I negotiate a pay rise with my current employer A.

And to be honest, I think the employer B kind of had it coming. When I applied for the role I was crystal clear about how much I'm making at employer A. I also told them it would be likely for me to receive a counter offer from A.

Employer B knew about this, also knew about how competitive the job market is at the moment, and yet they made me an offer than yes it is higher than what I'm currently getting, but not that much higher. 

Some companies come to play, some companies come to win. Employer B should have made me an offer that I couldn't refuse, rather than take a risk to save a penny. Weird, they are a big company with 50k+ employees so they should know better.

Doesn't sound like you think you'll be valued at either place.  

Maybe try TV's The Apprentice.

Greymug

NCC1701-A said:

Greymug said:

Smithcom said:

JReacher1 said:

TELLIT01 said:

JReacher1 said:

Despite your assertions company B won't be blackballing the OP from any future employment opportunities as they won't take this decision personally, in business a situation like this happens all the time.  Company B will almost certainly have a second candidate for the job who they have not rejected yet and will then probably offer the job to.

Some will but others won't.  If I had recruited somebody who accepted and then turned down a job they wouldn't be top of my list to recruit if another vacancy came along.  Why should I be any more confident they wouldn't do the same thing again?

You're confusing the individual with the company.  Although it is possible that the person who offered the position may feel slighted and hold a grudge the company itself won't.  The job market is very competitive at the moment and the employee has never had so much power.

In fact if anyone was going to blackball the OP it would probably be the company he is currently employed at.  They have only been employed for a year and have left to do the same job for a new company after turning down a salary increase at his current place of work.  That is far more likely to lead to a "do not reemploy" status associated with the employee as opposed to the new company.

I feel we are digressing though but back to my original point which is the OP is not a "Low life" for choosing to stay with the company he is at if they offer him a payrise.

The OP appears to be strategically sitting on the new job, knowing that they will likely look to remain with the current employer.

I am indeed keeping the new employer B warm while I negotiate a pay rise with my current employer A.

And to be honest, I think the employer B kind of had it coming. When I applied for the role I was crystal clear about how much I'm making at employer A. I also told them it would be likely for me to receive a counter offer from A.

Employer B knew about this, also knew about how competitive the job market is at the moment, and yet they made me an offer than yes it is higher than what I'm currently getting, but not that much higher. 

Some companies come to play, some companies come to win. Employer B should have made me an offer that I couldn't refuse, rather than take a risk to save a penny. Weird, they are a big company with 50k+ employees so they should know better.

Doesn't sound like you think you'll be valued at either place.  

I'm not worried that much about being valued. I don't value them either. It's just a job at the end of the day. The only thing I care about is getting paid as much as possible so I can have more money to spend in what's really important in life.

biscan25

I'm not worried that much about being valued. I don't value them either. It's just a job at the end of the day. The only thing I care about is getting paid as much as possible so I can have more money to spend in what's really important in life.

Refreshingly honest. This is exactly how I view work, I give my time and effort for the highest compensation I can reasonably negotiate, and avoid the employers where there is an expectation of unpaid overtime.

If all workers took such a transactional view of work, the balance between employers and employees would shift back to the employees' favour.

Smithcom

biscan25 said:

I'm not worried that much about being valued. I don't value them either. It's just a job at the end of the day. The only thing I care about is getting paid as much as possible so I can have more money to spend in what's really important in life.

Refreshingly honest. This is exactly how I view work, I give my time and effort for the highest compensation I can reasonably negotiate, and avoid the employers where there is an expectation of unpaid overtime.

If all workers took such a transactional view of work, the balance between employers and employees would shift back to the employees' favour.

There's definitely a place in the workforce for those who do a strict 9-5.   Those employees should equally expect zero flexibility in return.     

Smithcom

Greymug said:

NCC1701-A said:

Greymug said:

Smithcom said:

JReacher1 said:

TELLIT01 said:

JReacher1 said:

Despite your assertions company B won't be blackballing the OP from any future employment opportunities as they won't take this decision personally, in business a situation like this happens all the time.  Company B will almost certainly have a second candidate for the job who they have not rejected yet and will then probably offer the job to.

Some will but others won't.  If I had recruited somebody who accepted and then turned down a job they wouldn't be top of my list to recruit if another vacancy came along.  Why should I be any more confident they wouldn't do the same thing again?

You're confusing the individual with the company.  Although it is possible that the person who offered the position may feel slighted and hold a grudge the company itself won't.  The job market is very competitive at the moment and the employee has never had so much power.

In fact if anyone was going to blackball the OP it would probably be the company he is currently employed at.  They have only been employed for a year and have left to do the same job for a new company after turning down a salary increase at his current place of work.  That is far more likely to lead to a "do not reemploy" status associated with the employee as opposed to the new company.

I feel we are digressing though but back to my original point which is the OP is not a "Low life" for choosing to stay with the company he is at if they offer him a payrise.

The OP appears to be strategically sitting on the new job, knowing that they will likely look to remain with the current employer.

I am indeed keeping the new employer B warm while I negotiate a pay rise with my current employer A.

And to be honest, I think the employer B kind of had it coming. When I applied for the role I was crystal clear about how much I'm making at employer A. I also told them it would be likely for me to receive a counter offer from A.

Employer B knew about this, also knew about how competitive the job market is at the moment, and yet they made me an offer than yes it is higher than what I'm currently getting, but not that much higher. 

Some companies come to play, some companies come to win. Employer B should have made me an offer that I couldn't refuse, rather than take a risk to save a penny. Weird, they are a big company with 50k+ employees so they should know better.

Doesn't sound like you think you'll be valued at either place.  

I'm not worried that much about being valued. I don't value them either. It's just a job at the end of the day. The only thing I care about is getting paid as much as possible so I can have more money to spend in what's really important in life.

Fair enough.   There's definitely a place in the workforce for those employees who don't add extra value, or seek extra value in return.    I've come across plenty of such people during my career.   

Undervalued

Greymug said:

NCC1701-A said:

Greymug said:

Smithcom said:

JReacher1 said:

TELLIT01 said:

JReacher1 said:

Despite your assertions company B won't be blackballing the OP from any future employment opportunities as they won't take this decision personally, in business a situation like this happens all the time.  Company B will almost certainly have a second candidate for the job who they have not rejected yet and will then probably offer the job to.

Some will but others won't.  If I had recruited somebody who accepted and then turned down a job they wouldn't be top of my list to recruit if another vacancy came along.  Why should I be any more confident they wouldn't do the same thing again?

You're confusing the individual with the company.  Although it is possible that the person who offered the position may feel slighted and hold a grudge the company itself won't.  The job market is very competitive at the moment and the employee has never had so much power.

In fact if anyone was going to blackball the OP it would probably be the company he is currently employed at.  They have only been employed for a year and have left to do the same job for a new company after turning down a salary increase at his current place of work.  That is far more likely to lead to a "do not reemploy" status associated with the employee as opposed to the new company.

I feel we are digressing though but back to my original point which is the OP is not a "Low life" for choosing to stay with the company he is at if they offer him a payrise.

The OP appears to be strategically sitting on the new job, knowing that they will likely look to remain with the current employer.

I am indeed keeping the new employer B warm while I negotiate a pay rise with my current employer A.

And to be honest, I think the employer B kind of had it coming. When I applied for the role I was crystal clear about how much I'm making at employer A. I also told them it would be likely for me to receive a counter offer from A.

Employer B knew about this, also knew about how competitive the job market is at the moment, and yet they made me an offer than yes it is higher than what I'm currently getting, but not that much higher. 

Some companies come to play, some companies come to win. Employer B should have made me an offer that I couldn't refuse, rather than take a risk to save a penny. Weird, they are a big company with 50k+ employees so they should know better.

Doesn't sound like you think you'll be valued at either place.  

I'm not worried that much about being valued. I don't value them either. It's just a job at the end of the day. The only thing I care about is getting paid as much as possible so I can have more money to spend in what's really important in life.

Maybe there will be a time when you reassess your values and priorities?