Car parked over my drive, clipped it, who is liable?

ontheroad1970

born_again said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

Car_54 said:

TheJP said:

billy2shots said:

Can we all move on from the hedge please. 

The hedge is just deflection to justify hitting someone's car. 
Unless the op had to drive through the hedge making it act like a big theatre curtain slowly peeling back to reveal what's on the other side, the the hedge is irrelevant. 

The 50% blocking of drive is another red herring. The OP obviously had enough room to get his car out or they wouldn't have attempted to. The only alternative to that is they knew they couldn't get out and crashed on purpose. 

The OP ran out of skill or luck and caused damage to someone's property. 

Blocked driveways and hedges are being used to offset responsibility which is getting more common in today's world. 

That's a pretty wide accusation to throw out, why would i want to intentionally hit a car? If you have read my other posts you can see I've accepted responsibility. I can understand why its hard to visualise the drive but the way the car was parked and the angle of my drive and with the bush meant it was hard to see as i was reversing. Yes a bit of lack of concentration due to reversing out of the drive hundreds of times and not expecting a car parked in that way. Lesson learned.

Ive moved on.

Highway  Code Rule 201:
"Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

Its a cul-de-sac not a main road.

The relevant part is the second sentence. "When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

But no "MUST NOT"

Indeed, but I'd bet the incident would not have happened had the OP driven out forwards.  That's the point.  

turnitround

ontheroad1970 said:

TheJP said:

ontheroad1970 said:

TheJP said:

Car_54 said:

TheJP said:

billy2shots said:

Can we all move on from the hedge please. 

The hedge is just deflection to justify hitting someone's car. 
Unless the op had to drive through the hedge making it act like a big theatre curtain slowly peeling back to reveal what's on the other side, the the hedge is irrelevant. 

The 50% blocking of drive is another red herring. The OP obviously had enough room to get his car out or they wouldn't have attempted to. The only alternative to that is they knew they couldn't get out and crashed on purpose. 

The OP ran out of skill or luck and caused damage to someone's property. 

Blocked driveways and hedges are being used to offset responsibility which is getting more common in today's world. 

That's a pretty wide accusation to throw out, why would i want to intentionally hit a car? If you have read my other posts you can see I've accepted responsibility. I can understand why its hard to visualise the drive but the way the car was parked and the angle of my drive and with the bush meant it was hard to see as i was reversing. Yes a bit of lack of concentration due to reversing out of the drive hundreds of times and not expecting a car parked in that way. Lesson learned.

Ive moved on.

Highway  Code Rule 201:
"Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

Its a cul-de-sac not a main road.

I rather suspect it's more main road than your drive.  The point is to never reverse from a minor road on to a major road

It’s a cul-de-sac within a minor road in which that road is in a minor road. I know what a main road is and what you shouldn’t reverse out into. 

The point is that you should not reverse into a more major thoroughfare than the one you come from.  So why do you reverse out on to the road from your drive when the HC clearly states that you should not do so?  If you had driven forwards out, I doubt the incident would have occurred, you would have had better visibility.  This is the reason I always reverse into parking bays.  Visibility is alway better when driving forwards.

Then clearly you dont have any mobility issues. If I were to reverse into our drive or any parking bay then I would be unable to get my husbands mobility scooter out of the car. We dont live in an ideal world where we can always do things according to the highway code.

[Deleted User]

Despite people playing high an mighty on here I've reversed into stationary objects, clipped cars when driving out of parking spaces etc, stuff happens and as long as you don't hurt anybody you can pay up and move on without regret and a lesson learnt.

Reversing is always going to be risky so parking aids like proximity sensors and reverse cameras give an added extra view to reduce that risk and ultimately will pay for themselves just by avoiding one dent in another car - I highly recommend them and reckon they have saved me a hundreds over last 20 years of motoring.

Some MSE answer is to fit parking aids / reverse camera - these can be retro fitted to cars without them.

Car_54

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

billy2shots said:

Can we all move on from the hedge please. 

The hedge is just deflection to justify hitting someone's car. 
Unless the op had to drive through the hedge making it act like a big theatre curtain slowly peeling back to reveal what's on the other side, the the hedge is irrelevant. 

The 50% blocking of drive is another red herring. The OP obviously had enough room to get his car out or they wouldn't have attempted to. The only alternative to that is they knew they couldn't get out and crashed on purpose. 

The OP ran out of skill or luck and caused damage to someone's property. 

Blocked driveways and hedges are being used to offset responsibility which is getting more common in today's world. 

That's a pretty wide accusation to throw out, why would i want to intentionally hit a car? If you have read my other posts you can see I've accepted responsibility. I can understand why its hard to visualise the drive but the way the car was parked and the angle of my drive and with the bush meant it was hard to see as i was reversing. Yes a bit of lack of concentration due to reversing out of the drive hundreds of times and not expecting a car parked in that way. Lesson learned.

Ive moved on.

Highway  Code Rule 201:
"Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

Its a cul-de-sac not a main road.

The relevant part is the second sentence. "When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

So what you are saying is no one in the UK can reverse out of their drive. 

Where did I say that?
I’ve merely quoted the Highway Code. Ignoring its rules may be used in evidence against the perpetrator either in criminal proceedings (e.g. careless driving), or in determining fault in a civil case.
BTW the HC only applies in GB, not the UK.

TheJP

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

billy2shots said:

Can we all move on from the hedge please. 

The hedge is just deflection to justify hitting someone's car. 
Unless the op had to drive through the hedge making it act like a big theatre curtain slowly peeling back to reveal what's on the other side, the the hedge is irrelevant. 

The 50% blocking of drive is another red herring. The OP obviously had enough room to get his car out or they wouldn't have attempted to. The only alternative to that is they knew they couldn't get out and crashed on purpose. 

The OP ran out of skill or luck and caused damage to someone's property. 

Blocked driveways and hedges are being used to offset responsibility which is getting more common in today's world. 

That's a pretty wide accusation to throw out, why would i want to intentionally hit a car? If you have read my other posts you can see I've accepted responsibility. I can understand why its hard to visualise the drive but the way the car was parked and the angle of my drive and with the bush meant it was hard to see as i was reversing. Yes a bit of lack of concentration due to reversing out of the drive hundreds of times and not expecting a car parked in that way. Lesson learned.

Ive moved on.

Highway  Code Rule 201:
"Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

Its a cul-de-sac not a main road.

The relevant part is the second sentence. "When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

So what you are saying is no one in the UK can reverse out of their drive. 

Where did I say that?
I’ve merely quoted the Highway Code. Ignoring its rules may be used in evidence against the perpetrator either in criminal proceedings (e.g. careless driving), or in determining fault in a civil case.
BTW the HC only applies in GB, not the UK.

The part where you re-stated your quote about the second sentence, I've already said what type of road i live on multiple times. Your sentence states reverse in and drive out if you can (no context to what type of road)

Ok so everyone in the UK apart from N.I cant reverse out of their drive based on your fantastic insight.

shiraz99

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

billy2shots said:

Can we all move on from the hedge please. 

The hedge is just deflection to justify hitting someone's car. 
Unless the op had to drive through the hedge making it act like a big theatre curtain slowly peeling back to reveal what's on the other side, the the hedge is irrelevant. 

The 50% blocking of drive is another red herring. The OP obviously had enough room to get his car out or they wouldn't have attempted to. The only alternative to that is they knew they couldn't get out and crashed on purpose. 

The OP ran out of skill or luck and caused damage to someone's property. 

Blocked driveways and hedges are being used to offset responsibility which is getting more common in today's world. 

That's a pretty wide accusation to throw out, why would i want to intentionally hit a car? If you have read my other posts you can see I've accepted responsibility. I can understand why its hard to visualise the drive but the way the car was parked and the angle of my drive and with the bush meant it was hard to see as i was reversing. Yes a bit of lack of concentration due to reversing out of the drive hundreds of times and not expecting a car parked in that way. Lesson learned.

Ive moved on.

Highway  Code Rule 201:
"Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

Its a cul-de-sac not a main road.

The relevant part is the second sentence. "When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can."

So what you are saying is no one in the UK can reverse out of their drive. 

Where did I say that?
I’ve merely quoted the Highway Code. Ignoring its rules may be used in evidence against the perpetrator either in criminal proceedings (e.g. careless driving), or in determining fault in a civil case.
BTW the HC only applies in GB, not the UK.

The part where you re-stated your quote about the second sentence, I've already said what type of road i live on multiple times. Your sentence states reverse in and drive out if you can (no context to what type of road)

Ok so everyone in the UK apart from N.I cant reverse out of their drive based on your fantastic insight.

I think you're being slightly obtuse. It's clear what @[Deleted User] is saying, ie, it's advisable, and clearly safer to reverse in and drive out, as exemplified by your little "incident".

Grumpy_chap

shiraz99 said:

it's advisable, and clearly safer to reverse in and drive out, as exemplified by your little "incident".

FWIW, where I live, when we wanted a dropped kerb and driveway, in order to obtain planning permission (required at my house) plus highways agreement, I had to provide detailed drawings and track-paths showing that I could drive in forwards, turn within the confines of the front garden, and drive out forwards.

I have also worked for many employers where they stipulate "reverse parking" policy and occasionally use it to sack someone.  

sevenhills

shiraz99

I think you're being slightly obtuse. It's clear what @[Deleted User] is saying, ie, it's advisable, and clearly safer to reverse in and drive out, as exemplified by your little "incident".

I reverse in 95% of the time, I assume most people do the opposite is because drives and parking spaces can be quite narrow.
Not following the highway code also, why do they do it?

TooManyPoints

Ok so everyone in the UK apart from N.I cant reverse out of their drive based on your fantastic insight.

Are you generally able to reverse into your drive and were you able to prior to this particular occasion when you had the collision on the way out? There are not many circumstances where it's normally possible to drive backwards out of a space but not reverse into it. If it is possible but you generally don't then you have not taken the sensible advice offered by the HC. As mentioned, if you had driven out forwards it is doubtful this collision would have occurred. I know you have accepted responsibility but it is probably a collision that need not have occurred.

I have also worked for many employers where they stipulate "reverse parking" policy and occasionally use it to sack someone.  

What, sacked for parking the wrong way round? 

Grumpy_chap

TooManyPoints said:

I have also worked for many employers where they stipulate "reverse parking" policy and occasionally use it to sack someone.  

What, sacked for parking the wrong way round? 

No.  Sacked for breaking health & safety rules - gross misconduct.  It just so happens the rule is parking the wrong way round.  It is an easy one for the company to use if they just want you out as, eventually, you will park the wrong way round and get seen so if you upset someone, they just need to wait.  Not an uncommon culture in some industries.