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I beat BW Legal (Total Parking Solutions) in County Court!

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Hello everyone, I thought I'd let you know that BW legal took me to court on behalf of Total Parking Solutions yesterday (after hounding me for two years) and their case was dismissed!

FACTS OF THE CASE:

I parked at the university car park where I worked, as I closed the car door, the wind blew my parking permit onto the passengers side (face down) without me noticing. I got ticketed and within 90 mins of the ticket I sent a photograph of the permit to the parking company and told them I would not pay. They hounded me 2 and a half years.


THE COURT:

BW legal included legal arguments in their witness statement which is a breach of CPS regulations (the judge referenced the Vardy case for this!), and nearly had the entire statement thrown out. The judge was very disparaging that this incident had been taken all the way to court and found numerous holes in the BW Legal case, for example there was no witness to be questioned (just a statement); the penalty notice was vague; by referring to legal cases in the witness statement whilst not providing those case notes in evidence; the ambiguity of the landowner's website (specifically in terms of the fact that I was not staff, but a sub-contracted visitor); the fact that the reverse side of my permit could be seen on the passenger side with parking permit text (although not my permit number).

I didn't try to claim costs from the other side because I was just glad it was over, but probably should have claimed my bus fare and a couple of hours pay.

THE VERDICT:

The case was dismissed due to numerous shaky grounds, BW legal based their entire case essentially on 'breach of contract' but failed to supply evidence to support it. However the Judge granted them grounds for appeal based on making that case with evidence in future although he suggested it would be somewhat ridiculous to spend that amount of money to pursue it further for such a minimal claim.

QUESTION:

The question I now have to ponder for 20 days is whether or not they will file for an appeal and if so, how will I contest that appeal? Also, would I then be liable for far greater costs?


So it's kind of a bittersweet victory for now and certainly hasn't ended the stress having over me for now, but I though you'd all like to know about it, and I wouldn't mind some advice in terms of appeal if that happens.

Thanks everyone.

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  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 41,563 Forumite
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    Nice result and thanks for the excellent report. I doubt Tito of TPS will be up for funding an appeal - we see very, very few. I'm sure he'll chalk it off as part of doing business, as most do, plenty of far less resilient people who will supinely cough up at the first sign of a court claim. Come back for further help if he does appeal.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Le_Kirk
    Le_Kirk Posts: 22,442 Forumite
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    Nice report and nice outcome.  Was this the original thread: -
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6228967/ticket-because-my-permit-fell-down/p1
    If so, you could ask one of the board guides (@savvy or @soolin) to merge this with the original.
  • crb88
    crb88 Posts: 8 Forumite
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    Le_Kirk said:
    Nice report and nice outcome.  Was this the original thread: -
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6228967/ticket-because-my-permit-fell-down/p1
    If so, you could ask one of the board guides (@savvy or @soolin) to merge this with the original.
    Yeah, that's me, happy for mods to do whatever they deem works.


    It was pretty funny to me how unprepared the Lawyer seemed to be and how his entire booklet of evidence was beaten by 5 jpgs!

    The lawyer was very keen to get the judge to accept grounds for appeal which is why I am a touch worried, but will keep you all informed as to how it goes.
  • crb88
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    I got a letter today that I assume is just a recap of the result of the trial, but I'm worried that the:

     "an appeal lies from this judgment order to the county court" box being ticked. Does this mean they are appealing?

    I've attached screenshots of the letter with identifying information removed.






  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 133,095 Forumite
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    Standard I think.  It means they can appeal if they want to (rarely happens).
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  • MothballsWallet
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    Le_Kirk said:
    Do judges go to the same school as Doctors for handwriting lessons?
    My handwriting's better than that, and mine looks like I'd spilt ink over the desk and let a tame chicken walk and scratch through the puddle.
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