Hear me out. Is the price rise good for climate change?

agentcain

No I don't think its good for climate change, unless we have indications that the same mentality applies across the world.

What we have exposure to is what we do here in the UK to battle the issue of increasing cost of living. One of the approaches as you say is to limit energy consumption. Great, any way that you see it. However it does nothing to climate change, if you are concerned about it, if everyone else is not doing anything. As already mentioned, coal factories will open again to provide energy, whatever the effect this has on climate change. People are advocating the use of renewables, great, but this also need to be applied across the world and we need to have a hard look at it from an engineering perspective (e.g. reduce solar and wind turbine waste so that we do not simply kick the can further down the road).

Look at the state of the world. While you are here arguing that your increased energy prices help save the planet, someone in Russia started a pointless war. Those vehicles don't move by themselves and planes have to circumvent no-fly zones.  

markin

Ultrasonic said:

For me the answer is probably yes but I'd like to see far more prominent discussion about ways people can and should look to reduce their energy use to help both financially and environmentally. Yet again we've had a potential big jump in the price cap announced but with the impact discussed on the assumption that consumers would do nothing to reduce their energy consumption.

Are some people already working hard to reduce/minimise energy use? Absolutely. But I think there is huge scope for many more to do so.

With 3 month billing the real shock is delayed, And the people that do make changes having to argue over the phone or email to get them to reduce the DD's, So with most people not seeing much instant difference in the effort they make it won't be easy.

Chrysalis

Climate change done by having more efficient devices, better heat insulation, renewable energy, fair enough.

Climate change at the expense of freezing to death, not been able to afford to eat, no.

mongoose2009

I think is is great thing for exposing the reality of the climutt change scam

I want people sat in the dark and cold

maybe then they will wake up to the reality of their virtue signalling

replacing 100% light and heat for intermittent power and light

the green lobby wont tell you the reality of what zero carbon means

and the politicians are rich enough to not have to deal with the consequences

so when people are sat in the dark in January suddenly they will find out what its like to go back to pre industrial times

hint  it was miserable

thats why we invented it

ask any ecoloon  have you solved the mass storage problem yet (the answer is no)

Ultrasonic

mongoose2009 said:

I think is is great thing for exposing the reality of the climutt change scam

I want people sat in the dark and cold

maybe then they will wake up to the reality of their virtue signalling

replacing 100% light and heat for intermittent power and light

the green lobby wont tell you the reality of what zero carbon means

and the politicians are rich enough to not have to deal with the consequences

so when people are sat in the dark in January suddenly they will find out what its like to go back to pre industrial times

hint  it was miserable

thats why we invented it

ask any ecoloon  have you solved the mass storage problem yet (the answer is no)

The fact that some changes may be unpalatable doesn't mean they aren't a good idea, when the long term impacts of not doing so will be even worse.

maisie_cat

I agree that one of the things to come out of the "cost of living crisis" is that people are looking at what they consume.
It's taken the publicity around price increases for me to persuade hubby to not put single items in the washing machine and then tumble dry them. I've been nagging for years, but it got through when I explained that a wash and dry is £1
For many people, the concept of putting a jumper on when you're cold didn't enter their minds while putting the heating on was cheap. Now people are putting jumpers on, and not putting a single item in the oven without thinking about whether they can add something else in while it's on and that is also better for the environment.
We've reduced electricity use by 20-25% depending on the week.
The other thing that isn't bad is that people are from scratch and batch cooking more and looking for alternative cheaper sources of nutrition, pulses like chickpeas have the same protein per gram as meat but are significantly cheaper and better for the environment.
Our nearest food shop is 5 miles away, so if we run out of something we are not doing a 10 mile round trip, we are managing with what we have, when petrol was cheaper we would have just jumped into the car.

Benny2020

We are all getting £400 in October so you can crank the CH up even higher now.

MattMattMattUK

Chrysalis said:

Climate change done by having more efficient devices, better heat insulation, renewable energy, fair enough.

Climate change at the expense of freezing to death, not been able to afford to eat, no.

Technically from a climate change perspective either are a benefit, either increased efficiency of the people who are alive, or fewer people both reduce total emissions. 

Benny2020

In the end its about people not the planet as the Earth has been Molten, Frozen, bombarded by asteroids and comets 3.8 billion years ago, hit by a proto planet that knocked its over at 23.5 degrees and formed the Moon and endured mass extinctions and it is still here and doing fine.
Whatever happens and what ever we do the Earth will survive and support life, it may not be humans but it will be fine, don't worry.

wrf12345

"We are all getting £400 in October so you can crank the CH up even higher now. "

It is £400 less the increase in (April) standing charge divided by the new gas rate in October so probably equivalent to spending a £100 or so on gas at the old rates, better than nothing (along with the £150 council tax rebate if you got it) but all this money is being sucked out of the economy by the energy companies. Pensioners get a bit extra but not quite old enough for that. Luckily, I have a nice boost in income later this year so it is not going to kill me but not giving any of it to the energy companies.

BTW the reason standing charges exist is because there is no meaningful competition. When I fill my motorcycle with £10's worth of petrol (rather than five or ten times which the car drivers are paying) I am not collared for an extra charge to cover the overhead and the fuel distribution system, that comes out of the overall pot. Absolutely no reason why the same could not happen with the energy companies and s/c's be abolished. other than lack of competition and greed. It would also make differences in charges much easier to see and bills easier to calculate (and also liberate the really poor on prepayment meters from crippling fixed charges).