New reforms to protect renters confirmed - including an Ombudsman for complaints and a ban on 'no fa

CardiffCrank

user1977 said:

Rumana03 said:

jonnydeppiwish! said:

Rumana03 said:

Sometimes landlords want their property back because they might need to sell their property (due to financial difficulties) or maybe so that they can purchase a home for themselves to live in. I think a lot of people have the misconception that all landlords are well off and have multiple properties which is just not the case.

Then this is where people shouldn’t be landlords. They are offering a house to let - people who rent it have to be able to make it their home without having to worry about being turfed out for no reason.

If a potential LL can’t offer this then they need to leave the rental market and sell the property.

Yes thats the problem...how would they sell the property if they can't use section 21?

By using one of the exceptions which will (almost certainly) still apply, similar to what already is in place in Scotland.

Even in Germany, often held up as the pinnacle of tenants' rights, you can evict a tenant in order to sell.

hazyjo

SuseOrm said:

As somebody who rented out the family home twice and regretted it twice I do actually think the accidental landlords just need to be abolished you’re either in it as a professional service or you’re not and if that means people have to sell their homes when they relocate etc will then so be it it needs to be made so unattractive a proposition that nobody wants to do it because it always ends in tears

You can't really abolish something that doesn't exist. The same rules and regs apply to Joe Bloggs renting his old house out than to a landlord letting 20 houses. Some may be ignorant of the law, but it doesn't make it any less applicable. They're considered the same 'professionally'.

Not sure how you'd differentiate. Can't say they need X numbers of properties as they've all got to start somewhere, nor can you say it must be their full time job.

sourpuss2021

theoretica said:

jonnydeppiwish! said:

Sarah1Mitty2 said:

sourpuss2021 said:

Zoe02 said:

Landlords are already been squeezed with increased regulations and costs.

When they say no fault, most times there are faults such as rent arrears, late payments etc

Many landlords will be even pickier and avoid potential problem tenants.

There is already a shortage of housing available at present. 

They are proposing abolishing Section 21 which is no fault.  And no fault means no fault!

If there is a fault like rent arrears, late payment, etc, then it would be a Section 8 eviction.  And those are not being abolished.

Evicting tenants (England and Wales): Section 21 and Section 8 notices - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

So what happens if the landlord wants or even needs to get the house back?

It’s a business, not a ‘I don’t want it for a few months, but now I do’.

Though it seems to me that there should be a place for someone who is - say - going to be working away for some months to be able to rent out their home to someone who is happy/accepts it is a short term arrangement.  Seems better for housing usage than having the property sit empty. 

In that situation they could use AirBnB.  So no tenancy would be created.

GDB2222

I remember the 1960s, when there was a real prospect of tenants becoming protected sitting tenants, with a consequent reduction in the property value of 30-50%. 

Rents were sky high at the time, because of the risk.  And, a lot of places were  only available as company lets.

It was Thatcher’s introduction of ASTs which led to the comparatively low rents we have today.

sourpuss2021

GDB2222 said:

I remember the 1960s, when there was a real prospect of tenants becoming protected sitting tenants, with a consequent reduction in the property value of 30-50%. 

Rents were sky high at the time, because of the risk.  And, a lot of places were  only available as company lets.

It was Thatcher’s introduction of ASTs which led to the comparatively low rents we have today.

You might know Ken Russell's documentary A House in Bayswater:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFZlBYJ0_uY