PIP Review

iamclaire

Hi my 3rd PIP review came up for a face to face next week.  So because of all the controversy I asked them if I could record it!  They have promptly cancelled my appointment because they have to have someone to record it and I have not heard from them since?
Im now worried that they will say I have missed it and stop my PIP?  I have no proof that they cancelled it?
This seems really strange I only asked if it could be recorded?
Has anyone else had this happen?  Will they give me a new appointment?

 Thanks 

poppy12345

They may not have had the equipment available for the date of your assessment. You can also record it yourself. Sinc ethe rule changes you can use any device to record the assessment. https://www.independentlives.org/news/audio-recording-for-pip

I've never known them send proof that an assessment has been concelled. Once another appointment becomes available they will contact you.

Life__Goes__On

iamclaire said:

Hi my 3rd PIP review came up for a face to face next week.  So because of all the controversy I asked them if I could record it!  They have promptly cancelled my appointment because they have to have someone to record it and I have not heard from them since?
Im now worried that they will say I have missed it and stop my PIP?  I have no proof that they cancelled it?
This seems really strange I only asked if it could be recorded?
Has anyone else had this happen?  Will they give me a new appointment?

 Thanks 

I've cancelled and had PIP "assessment" cancelled, and have just received another appointment, so wouldn't worry.

My personal view is with the new guidance I would only have an "assessment" if it's recorded, so make sure it is.
I've had ones that have very gone  from misleading to total an utter lies. (I did once have an honest one)

The delay could be retraining of staff to now only lie on non-recorded " assessments"

poppy12345

Life__Goes__On said:

iamclaire said:

Hi my 3rd PIP review came up for a face to face next week.  So because of all the controversy I asked them if I could record it!  They have promptly cancelled my appointment because they have to have someone to record it and I have not heard from them since?
Im now worried that they will say I have missed it and stop my PIP?  I have no proof that they cancelled it?
This seems really strange I only asked if it could be recorded?
Has anyone else had this happen?  Will they give me a new appointment?

 Thanks 

The delay could be retraining of staff to now only lie on non-recorded " assessments"

Scaremongering isn't very nice at all and doesn't help the OP. Yes, there are some dreadful stories out there but please remember, you will mostly only hear the bad stories on any internet forum. Those that have a decision they're happy with have no questions to ask so we don't hear their story.

Never had a problem with my claim since 2013 and the same with my daughters claim since 2017. Never record any assessment either.

Life__Goes__On

I think reminding the OP possible pitfall of not getting it recorded is helpful, the OP should stick to having it recorded.
What wouldn't be helpful  would be someone  dismissing OP wanting it recorded saying it's always fine don't bother.

tifo

poppy12345 said:

Life__Goes__On said:

The delay could be retraining of staff to now only lie on non-recorded " assessments"

Scaremongering isn't very nice at all and doesn't help the OP.

It's a possibility. I'm new to this PIP thingy but my experience with this and the WCA assessment is that they write untruths in the medical report, things that the claimant has not said, to make it seem they're OK. I've got plenty in mine.

Spoonie_Turtle

To be honest, I'd have thought a recording is only useful if you want to make a complaint to the assessment company about the assessor.  Challenging a wrong decision is about focusing on where you should score points and which descriptors, not on that the assessor lied and wrote xyz whereas you actually said abc.  

I had my PIP assessment over the phone, the report was a reasonably accurate reflection of what was said but the assessor simply decided not to believe me anyway.  Having had the assessment recorded would not have helped.

I do understand the peace of mind aspect of recording assessments, but people should be aware it may not actually help them get the right award.

poppy12345

Life__Goes__On said:

I think reminding the OP possible pitfall of not getting it recorded is helpful, the OP should stick to having it recorded.
What wouldn't be helpful  would be someone  dismissing OP wanting it recorded saying it's always fine don't bother.

I disagree. I can't see how recording the assessment could be helpful at all. You can't use it in a Tribunal unless it's professionally transcribed.

Focusing on any "lies/contradictions" isn't helpful either. What you should be concentrating on is where any why you think you should have scored those points.

Life__Goes__On

poppy12345 said:

I disagree. I can't see how recording the assessment could be helpful at all. You can't use it in a Tribunal unless it's professionally transcribed.

So, you don't find it helpful, but better to that option, which would be logical.
Disability rights have been battling to have them recorded,
If it was totally pointless, then why did they bother? And why was there resistance to it in the first place?

If the PIP form is completed "correctly"  then the form itself will have focused on where the points are scored.

If an "assessor"stated  seeing someone walk 100 metres with no discomfort , the claimant stated this never happened as I can only walk 20 metres.  The issue would be at a tribunal is on the balance of probability which is correct.

The tribunals I have had all came down to who they believed most was I lying on my form, or had the assessor, both couldn't be truthful.
In all cases they believed that I was the truthful one.

poppy12345

Life__Goes__On said:

poppy12345 said:

I disagree. I can't see how recording the assessment could be helpful at all. You can't use it in a Tribunal unless it's professionally transcribed.

So, you would rather not have an option than have one! Can't see the logic in that.

Nope, that's not what i said. Please quote exactly where i said that.

Life__Goes__On said:

poppy12345 said:

I disagree. I can't see how recording the assessment could be helpful at all. You can't use it in a Tribunal unless it's professionally transcribed.

If the PIP form is completed "correctly"  then the form itself will have focused on where the points are scored.

Yes, i will agree with that.

Life__Goes__On said:

poppy12345 said:

I disagree. I can't see how recording the assessment could be helpful at all. You can't use it in a Tribunal unless it's professionally transcribed.

The tribunals I have had all came down to who they believed most was I lying on my form, or had the assessor, both couldn't be truthful.
In all cases they believed that I was the truthful one.

I'm not sure how that's possible because you're not on trial at a Tribunal.

Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree as far as recording assessments are concerned. I’m out anyway. 

Life__Goes__On

poppy12345 said:

Nope, that's not what i said. Please quote exactly where i said that.

Have corrected my post.

poppy12345 said:

I'm not sure how that's possible because you're not on trial at a Tribunal.

State where I said I was on trial?

I think it's important on how a Tribunal can reach a decision based of balance of probability


https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjx-4iAmMv3AhWXM8AKHa4VD18QFnoECDcQAQ&url=https://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/sites/default/files/pdf/Information_Guide_20_-_Going_to_Appeal_2.7.2018.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0dcREu_4xG8EMvnbO1Yapn PDF


"Even in cases where there is hard-factual evidence, it is up to the First-tier Tribunal to decide matters on the ‘balance of probabilities’ what was/is most likely. CDLA/2288/2007"


"In R(SB)33/85 a senior judge held that an appellant (or witness) did not need to corroborate their own evidence. Whereas in C57/97(DLA) (*78/98) another senior judge held that whilst it is correct to say that there was no rule that an appellant (or witness) needed to corroborate their own evidence, this did not mean that they were entitled to be believed merely because there was no contrary evidence. In final analysis it boils down to whether the evidence the appellant (or witness) gives is reliable and plausible. If the evidence the appellant (or witness) gives is considered to be contradictory or inherently improbable and there is no real explanation for this then it is unlikely to be accepted"


For two contradicting accounts only one can be correct, and it would come down how truthful the tribunal finds the appellant.
That's why (from personal experience)  tribunals are so thorough. They can ask the same question in a number of ways, seeing if the answer remains the same.