What rates are you being offered by your provider at the moment?

Doc_N

Mstty said:

Heating oil or what they call off grid heating will get £100. Which will be removed if oil/LPG prices spike but currently they are under the price per kWh that gas has been set at.

When people just have gas cylinders rather than an above or underground gas tank they are either in a static home/caravan or they just use the cylinders for cooking with gas where it is not available.

Park homes were mentioned in the government info but don't know any more details as yet.

If you’re not connected to the grid

Those households not on standard gas or electricity contracts, such as those living in park homes or on heat networks – and so outside the scheme – will receive support equivalent to both the Energy Price Guarantee and the Energy Bills Support Scheme.

Source https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/energy-bills-support/energy-bills-support-factsheet-8-september-2022

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Not enough votes in it, though, and country dwellers tend to blindly vote Conservative anyway, so why would this nasty lot care?

QrizB

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Doc_N

QrizB said:

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Really, in the case of oil?

https://nottenergy.com/resources/energy-cost-comparison/

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Doc_N said:

QrizB said:

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Really, in the case of oil?

https://nottenergy.com/resources/energy-cost-comparison/

So it was oil and LPG, but now that the figures don't stack up it's suddenly only oil.

Difficult to take your argument seriously when you change the goalposts and use political attacks as your justification

QrizB

Doc_N said:

QrizB said:

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Really, in the case of oil?

https://nottenergy.com/resources/energy-cost-comparison/

Yes, really. That table is wrong.

EPG capped gas price from October (a week from now): 10.3p/kWh.

Oil price last week (as reported on the forum): 85p/litre, 8.3p/kWh.

Oil is currently a full 2p per kWh cheaper than the EPG capped price of mains gas.

MattMattMattUK

Doc_N said:

QrizB said:

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Really, in the case of oil?

https://nottenergy.com/resources/energy-cost-comparison/

Yes, really. That table understates the cost of gas by 20% and is overstating the cost of kerosene by about 18%. 

Doc_N

[Deleted User] said:

Doc_N said:

QrizB said:

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Really, in the case of oil?

https://nottenergy.com/resources/energy-cost-comparison/

So it was oil and LPG, but now that the figures don't stack up it's suddenly only oil.

Difficult to take your argument seriously when you change the goalposts and use political attacks as your justification

The point still stands, because prices change from month to month. Country dwellers are ignored by this government - take a brief look at the axing of rural bus services, just as one example, and now fracking’s back on the agenda, despite minimal impact on prices and availability and high risks of earthquakes and serious environmental damage.

[Deleted User]

Doc_N said:

[Deleted User] said:

Doc_N said:

QrizB said:

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Really, in the case of oil?

https://nottenergy.com/resources/energy-cost-comparison/

So it was oil and LPG, but now that the figures don't stack up it's suddenly only oil.

Difficult to take your argument seriously when you change the goalposts and use political attacks as your justification

The point still stands, because prices change from month to month. Country dwellers are ignored by this government - take a brief look at the axing of rural bus services, just as one example, and now fracking’s back on the agenda, despite minimal impact on prices and availability and high risks of earthquakes and serious environmental damage.

Political debate - not what this board is for.

MattMattMattUK

Doc_N said:

[Deleted User] said:

Doc_N said:

QrizB said:

Doc_N said:

Which is, essentially, the government raising two fingers to anyone unfortunate enough not to be using mains gas or electricity as their main source of heating. We’re on gas, so not impacted, but I really do feel for those outside cities, towns and large villages who have no other option.

Yes those poor unfortunate people, paying less per kWh for their oil and LPG that the lucky folk with mains gas.

Really, in the case of oil?

https://nottenergy.com/resources/energy-cost-comparison/

So it was oil and LPG, but now that the figures don't stack up it's suddenly only oil.

Difficult to take your argument seriously when you change the goalposts and use political attacks as your justification

The point still stands, because prices change from month to month. Country dwellers are ignored by this government - take a brief look at the axing of rural bus services, just as one example, and now fracking’s back on the agenda, despite minimal impact on prices and availability and high risks of earthquakes and serious environmental damage.

This government cares about no one other than Conservative Party members, their latest budget demonstrates they do not even care about the people who generally vote for the Conservatives. Fracking is about energy security rather bringing prices down, it carries some risks but they depend on local geography, in some cases there will be some, in other they are negligible and again it is nothing to dowith rural vs urban, it is just where the shale and oil sands are located.

Telegraph_Sam

I deduce that electricity is quoted @ around 33p / kWh, mains gas @ around 10 p (+ 20% ???), and oil @ around 8 p. But the oil price is not capped or subject to any kind of protection??