Are consumer rights B2C only or also B2B?

Sandtree

penguineater said:
These past few years TVs have become very popular as monitors, 42" 4K HDR makes multitasking much much easier which increases work efficiency, not to mention the crystal clear text - I really recommend giving them a try to everyone that uses a PC for personal or work.

A 42" 4k monitor is identical to 4 21" HD monitors other than for the fact that many computers will struggle to drive 4 monitors.

The "crystal clear text" will not be that great, its very standard text quality these days... Dell dont sell any 22" monitors at below HD and the text will be the same on the two.

Screen height will also be an issue which is why very large screens sold for computers tend to be ultra wide screen rather than maintaining the same aspect ratio.

Personally will be very soon moving to 2x 27" 5k monitors side by side so roughly the same real estate but more longer than higher and 10K in total -v- your 4k. Undoubtably a different price point too but I'd struggle to step down to 4k over 42"/HD over 21" image quality these days.

penguineater

Sandtree said:

penguineater said:
These past few years TVs have become very popular as monitors, 42" 4K HDR makes multitasking much much easier which increases work efficiency, not to mention the crystal clear text - I really recommend giving them a try to everyone that uses a PC for personal or work.

A 42" 4k monitor is identical to 4 21" HD monitors other than for the fact that many computers will struggle to drive 4 monitors.

The "crystal clear text" will not be that great, its very standard text quality these days... Dell dont sell any 22" monitors at below HD and the text will be the same on the two.

Screen height will also be an issue which is why very large screens sold for computers tend to be ultra wide screen rather than maintaining the same aspect ratio.

Personally will be very soon moving to 2x 27" 5k monitors side by side so roughly the same real estate but more longer than higher and 10K in total -v- your 4k. Undoubtably a different price point too but I'd struggle to step down to 4k over 42"/HD over 21" image quality these days.

I've been using a 42" 4K screen for 3+ years now - it is in no way identical to 4x any size HD screens. You are comparing apples to mangos here.

You may also be forgetting about the brightness difference of a modern 4K panel vs an HD one.

Screen height is no issue, you just need to (like any setup) adjust it to your desk/seating position.

Paired with Fancy Zones software you can treat a large screen as if you have multiple monitors: https://youtu.be/aWlI36BWv6Q?t=110

sheramber

penguineater said:

If they cannot make TVs that last they should re-think their materials or introduce a power on and year warranty similar to how cars have year and mileage.

No, they want you to buy another on.  Nothing is made to last nowadays.

Ath_Wat

penguineater said:

unholyangel said:

penguineater said:

user1977 said:

Consumer rights are (as the name suggests) only for consumers. As soon as you become a business then the law assumes you're able to use your commercial clout and vast legal team in order to negotiate suitable terms (or at least understand the risks you're taking).

That's a shame.. I guess I could walk into a different retailer in-person and buy it with my business card and if any issues years later, just say i'm a consumer and make a claim within the 5 year warranty.

Surely if youre going to commit fraud, it should at least be for something worth the potential custodial sentence.

Btw, they can tell the card is commercial or not just from the card number. Because businesses can be charged extra depending on payment type, while consumers can't be.

shiraz99 said:

Are you genuinely going to be using the TV for your business or are you hoping to purchase it and, for example reclaim the VAT?

And is it even fair to refuse the 5y warranty if the customer wasn't made aware when making the purchase?

If you are a business you are supposed to understand how businesses work.  Your question is really "can't I have all the advantages of being a business and none of the disadvantages?" and the answer is, no you can't.  That's by design.

Sandtree

penguineater said:

I've been using a 42" 4K screen for 3+ years now - it is in no way identical to 4x any size HD screens. You are comparing apples to mangos here.

You may also be forgetting about the brightness difference of a modern 4K panel vs an HD one.

Screen height is no issue, you just need to (like any setup) adjust it to your desk/seating position.

42" 4k = 104.9 PPI
21" HD = 104.9 PPI

With each inch of screen having the identical number of pixels per inch the crystal clear text, as you put it, will be identical

27" 5k = 218 PPI

So over double the crystal clearness.

4K is fine on 42" when you are sitting on the other side of the room but is fairly low resolution when sitting at a desk compared to modern standards


Brightness has nothing at all to do with the number of pixels there are on the screen... why'd you think that? 

Brightness and number of pixels tend to go up as price of the screen goes up but that's coincidence not a design necessity. There are plenty of specialist screens designed for use outside that have basic resolution but very high output because of the environment they are going to be used in. 

I struggle to see, unless you are exceptionally tall, how you could sit inline with the way HSE DSE advice says you should (eyes parallel to the top of the screen, upper arms vertical, lower arms parallel to the desk etc). I can do it with a 27" with just a modest gap between the bottom of the screen and the desk but no way with a 42"

FeaturelessVoid

penguineater said:

Grumpy_chap said:

penguineater said:

unholyangel said:

penguineater said:

user1977 said:

Consumer rights are (as the name suggests) only for consumers. As soon as you become a business then the law assumes you're able to use your commercial clout and vast legal team in order to negotiate suitable terms (or at least understand the risks you're taking).

That's a shame.. I guess I could walk into a different retailer in-person and buy it with my business card and if any issues years later, just say i'm a consumer and make a claim within the 5 year warranty.

Surely if youre going to commit fraud, it should at least be for something worth the potential custodial sentence.

Btw, they can tell the card is commercial or not just from the card number. Because businesses can be charged extra depending on payment type, while consumers can't be.

shiraz99 said:

Are you genuinely going to be using the TV for your business or are you hoping to purchase it and, for example reclaim the VAT?

It's a genuine business cost that will be used every day for my work PC screen 

This is why a business transaction has different warranty. Your use profile will not match that of a consumer, both in terms of "on time" and increased potential for screen burn.

FWIW, TVs don't make good monitors.

These past few years TVs have become very popular as monitors, 42" 4K HDR makes multitasking much much easier which increases work efficiency, not to mention the crystal clear text - I really recommend giving them a try to everyone that uses a PC for personal or work.

LED TVs are rated for 40,000-100,000 hours according to a quick Google search, 12 hours per day would make it 9-23 years. People will replace them for new models long before they are due to fail.

LG's OLED claim 30,000 hours which is 6.8 years at 12h per day.

If they cannot make TVs that last they should re-think their materials or introduce a power on and year warranty similar to how cars have year and mileage.

TVs make terrible monitors, and anyone sat in front of a 42" TV as a computer monitor for any length of time will understand that.

The lack of adjustability, poor panel tech and all the rest of the problems?  Yeah, pass.

There's an edge case for OLED given it doesn't exist as a monitor.  Otherwise, pass.