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Sncjw

How can they say its a redundancy when the jobs is still there but taking on by other people.. 

Thrugelmir

Staffing is being outsourced to a third party. 

borefest

it’s disgraceful and no doubt other companies will follow suit.

Thrugelmir

borefest said:

it’s disgraceful and no doubt other companies will follow suit.

I'm sure that there's more to this story that's yet to emerge. Unions are unfortunately renown for their intransigence. The pandemic being the final nail in the coffin. P&O's owners being no longer willing to fund the loss making operation as it currently stands. £100 million a year is no small sum. 

Officer_Dibble

The £100M a year loss is the figure that's being put about, but I'd be amazed if it's that high (unless it's after a huge dividend's been sent back to Dubai). Sacking 800 staff could only save £8M a year assuming they can replace them with staff earning £10k a year less - let's push the boat out (ha ha) and make it £20M including more flexible working, poorer pensions etc - but however much you push the figures it'll be nowhere near enough to cover their supposed losses. The legal action will drag on for years unless the redundancy sums are massive, and they'll lose a shedload of bookings after the publicity. All a bit of an own goal really.

The RMT are often their own worst enemies, but comparing the pay of the ferry crew with the ludicrously overpaid tube drivers, I know which ones I'd like to see sacked en masse.

Sncjw

So how can the media call it redundancy when the job is still there. 

daveyjp

There are many tax advantages to declaring a loss year on year.

However as yet there has been no discussion around the significant drop in freight traffic, especially from Ireland to the continent via the UK,  I wonder why?  

Dazed_and_C0nfused

Sncjw said:

So how can the media call it redundancy when the job is still there. 

Because some of the media don't like to let the truth get in the way of a rant.

Take this load of nonsense as an example

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1581999/national-insurance-hike-april-2022-pensioners-react-in-fury

Thrugelmir

daveyjp said:

There are many tax advantages to declaring a loss year on year.

Investors aren't interested in running loss making companies. There's always better places to use the money available. Rather than pour it down a drain. 

Andy_L

Maritime law applies rather than UK (employment) law

Grumpy_chap

Andy_L said:

Maritime law applies rather than UK (employment) law

Surely that depends on what contracts of employment the staff have.  Most contracts will state under which legal jurisdiction the contract is to apply, even more so where there could be doubt, such as sea-faring employment.  Unless there is something clearly to the contrary, I would expect that employment for staff on a ferry service only operating within UK & EU would have employment contracts governed under one of those two legal entities. 

So far as I am aware, the business that did this only operates between Great Britain, the island of Ireland and EU.  P&O Ferries is a different company to P&O Cruises or any other brand in the group.