How to live without heating - save £000s

deano2099

HertsLad said:

Max68 said:

Like anything I think it's all what you are used to.  From what I can gather Herts Lad has been doing this for years so he is probably used to it...

I don't feel I have got used to it at all! I.e. not in the sense of being able to tolerate the cold if wearing too little. I feel the cold as much as anyone.

Rather, what I am used to is knowing what to wear to make it possible. And everyone reading this thread also knows now because I explained exactly what I am wearing.

It's disappointing that nobody here has tried to replicate my approach even as an experiment. All the gear is readily available and nothing needs to cost very much. 

I think the issue for me and lots of others is that the one thing fundamentally incompatible with our lifestyle is covering our hands. A base layer, shirt, jumper is enough to keep the core warm, but my hands are still going to get cold, and without any heating that's going to get actively painful. A pair of thin gloves can help but anything beyond that I can't type, which I need to do for the job.
And once work is done, without freedom in my fingers I can't paint, I can't play videogames, I can't prep food, I can't read a book (guess I could manage a Kindle)  - I have to admit a certain curiosity around what you actually do all day. I agree it's possible, and it clearly works for you, but for me it'd mean a huge fundamental change in lifestyle just because I can't really wear big gloves and live my current life.

EssexHebridean

Deano - same here - cold hands and feet would be my biggest issue. Even in a sensibly heated home and wearing socks and slippers I still sometimes find myself going to bed at night with icy cold feet - and when my feet are cold I struggle to get to sleep. My hands also get cold independently of the rest of my body - right now I'm in the office with a reasonable temperature around me, but my fingers are distinctly chilly. This is very much a horses for courses thing I think - I'm grateful that we are not in need of living like this, and I'll freely acknowledge that it certainly isn't something I'd do "for fun" as frankly, it doesn't sound like any form of fun at all!   

On the noise thing - anyone who has ever lived in a flat particularly with  neighbours above understands all too well what a negative effect a "little bit of noise" can have on quality of life and mental health! 

Mstty

@EssexHebridean

I have had a "middle" flat surrounded on all sides 360 degrees and yep agree noise nuisance can be a big factor in those.circunstances. less so with detached properties but I do wonder what the decibel limit is before local authorities act.

I wonder if you will indulge me further, I had to remind myself that you were completely against this post when it first started I think you suggested the advice could kill someone, you were going to report it, called the OP a troll and that was just the first few pages of the thread.

What are your thoughts now the thread has developed? 

casjen

I think the OP would be better off getting a  snow machine and building an igloo in the garden....

HertsLad

deano2099 said

I think the issue for me and lots of others is that the one thing fundamentally incompatible with our lifestyle is covering our hands. A base layer, shirt, jumper is enough to keep the core warm, but my hands are still going to get cold...I can't really wear big gloves and live my current life.

I doubt if my metabolism is much different to anyone else's. I never wear gloves at home and neither do my hands or feet get cold. Not even when my house was 1C in December. My finding is that, if they are cold it means you are not wearing enough on your body, especially on the legs. Put more layers on for hands and/or feet to warm up.

I was wearing 4 layers on my legs and 8 layers on my top in December; less now because it's about 10 or 12C.

Try it and you will see!

EssexHebridean

Mstty said:

@EssexHebridean

I have had a "middle" flat surrounded on all sides 360 degrees and yep agree noise nuisance can be a big factor in those.circunstances. less so with detached properties but I do wonder what the decibel limit is before local authorities act.

I wonder if you will indulge me further, I had to remind myself that you were completely against this post when it first started I think you suggested the advice could kill someone, you were going to report it, called the OP a troll and that was just the first few pages of the thread.

What are your thoughts now the thread has developed? 

Not sure whether you're deliberately misrepresenting me but I'll take it at face value. What I actually said, was that the gung-ho attitude from the OP early on - saying that "everyone should give it a go" and essentially (in fact I think at one point actually) suggesting that anyone not trying it was a wimp, could have serious health implications for some people, and indeed could kill someone frail, or with a health condition - I absolutely stand by that, because it's a fact.   It's not really possible to see now what caused alarm bells to ring in the very early stages as the OP has edited some posts (including the very first one) to add comments around the advice not being right for all. 

There were indeed questions from a number of members around whether the thread came from a troll account - mainly because it had all the hallmarks of it.  I made the suggestion that a specific post was trolling - one where someone explaining a medical condition that they have which  meant living in colder temperatures was not possible for them should - in essence - to put more clothes on. 

Personally I still think that the OPs way of living is without question not for probably more than 95% of the population - however, he has mostly now  modified his approach to be a little more understanding of the fact that not everyone is built in a way that allows living like this, even if they wanted to. (Although sadly I see the concept that everyone's hands and feet will warm up with more layers on the body persists - this is simply not the case for a proportion of the population. I could be wearing so many layers I looked like the michelin (wo)man, and physically be far too hot - if the external temperature was cold though, my fingers would still be freezing and, eventually painful.)

elsien

deano2099 said:

HertsLad said:

Max68 said:

Like anything I think it's all what you are used to.  From what I can gather Herts Lad has been doing this for years so he is probably used to it...

I don't feel I have got used to it at all! I.e. not in the sense of being able to tolerate the cold if wearing too little. I feel the cold as much as anyone.

Rather, what I am used to is knowing what to wear to make it possible. And everyone reading this thread also knows now because I explained exactly what I am wearing.

It's disappointing that nobody here has tried to replicate my approach even as an experiment. All the gear is readily available and nothing needs to cost very much. 

I think the issue for me and lots of others is that the one thing fundamentally incompatible with our lifestyle is covering our hands. A base layer, shirt, jumper is enough to keep the core warm, but my hands are still going to get cold, and without any heating that's going to get actively painful. A pair of thin gloves can help but anything beyond that I can't type, which I need to do for the job.
And once work is done, without freedom in my fingers I can't paint, I can't play videogames, I can't prep food, I can't read a book (guess I could manage a Kindle)  - I have to admit a certain curiosity around what you actually do all day. I agree it's possible, and it clearly works for you, but for me it'd mean a huge fundamental change in lifestyle just because I can't really wear big gloves and live my current life.

Plus some of us have friends who we'd quite like to visit us at home and have social evenings with. None of which is going to happen in the circumstances that the OP describes.
OP, you've not actually said how this works with your social circle?

Swipe

elsien said:

deano2099 said:

HertsLad said:

Max68 said:

Like anything I think it's all what you are used to.  From what I can gather Herts Lad has been doing this for years so he is probably used to it...

I don't feel I have got used to it at all! I.e. not in the sense of being able to tolerate the cold if wearing too little. I feel the cold as much as anyone.

Rather, what I am used to is knowing what to wear to make it possible. And everyone reading this thread also knows now because I explained exactly what I am wearing.

It's disappointing that nobody here has tried to replicate my approach even as an experiment. All the gear is readily available and nothing needs to cost very much. 

I think the issue for me and lots of others is that the one thing fundamentally incompatible with our lifestyle is covering our hands. A base layer, shirt, jumper is enough to keep the core warm, but my hands are still going to get cold, and without any heating that's going to get actively painful. A pair of thin gloves can help but anything beyond that I can't type, which I need to do for the job.
And once work is done, without freedom in my fingers I can't paint, I can't play videogames, I can't prep food, I can't read a book (guess I could manage a Kindle)  - I have to admit a certain curiosity around what you actually do all day. I agree it's possible, and it clearly works for you, but for me it'd mean a huge fundamental change in lifestyle just because I can't really wear big gloves and live my current life.

OP, you've not actually said how this works with your social circle?

I believe he said earlier that he doesn't have visitors to the house

Mstty

EssexHebridean said:

Mstty said:

@EssexHebridean

I have had a "middle" flat surrounded on all sides 360 degrees and yep agree noise nuisance can be a big factor in those.circunstances. less so with detached properties but I do wonder what the decibel limit is before local authorities act.

I wonder if you will indulge me further, I had to remind myself that you were completely against this post when it first started I think you suggested the advice could kill someone, you were going to report it, called the OP a troll and that was just the first few pages of the thread.

What are your thoughts now the thread has developed? 

Not sure whether you're deliberately misrepresenting me but I'll take it at face value. What I actually said, was that the gung-ho attitude from the OP early on - saying that "everyone should give it a go" and essentially (in fact I think at one point actually) suggesting that anyone not trying it was a wimp, could have serious health implications for some people, and indeed could kill someone frail, or with a health condition - I absolutely stand by that, because it's a fact.   It's not really possible to see now what caused alarm bells to ring in the very early stages as the OP has edited some posts (including the very first one) to add comments around the advice not being right for all. 

There were indeed questions from a number of members around whether the thread came from a troll account - mainly because it had all the hallmarks of it.  I made the suggestion that a specific post was trolling - one where someone explaining a medical condition that they have which  meant living in colder temperatures was not possible for them should - in essence - to put more clothes on. 

Personally I still think that the OPs way of living is without question not for probably more than 95% of the population - however, he has mostly now  modified his approach to be a little more understanding of the fact that not everyone is built in a way that allows living like this, even if they wanted to. (Although sadly I see the concept that everyone's hands and feet will warm up with more layers on the body persists - this is simply not the case for a proportion of the population. I could be wearing so many layers I looked like the michelin (wo)man, and physically be far too hot - if the external temperature was cold though, my fingers would still be freezing and, eventually painful.)

Not at all misrepresentation I happened to read the first three pages from scratch as I had recently sent a couple of other forum posters here to page 1. To be honest reading the first three pages I did wonder where I had sent them with the amount of negativity towards the OP from many members. (I take your point about messages being edited it would be good to have an edit history imo)

I do wonder though why people with such negativity towards a post on the forum, which I consider to be a successful and informative post, just respond negatively time and time again on the same post in an almost bullying fashion. But I leave that up to them perhaps they have said their piece and should just move on.

This will all be down to my New Year attitude of be kind, stick up for people and call things out as I see them. (Work in progress but trying)

Happy New Year. 

Mstty

elsien said:

deano2099 said:

HertsLad said:

Max68 said:

Like anything I think it's all what you are used to.  From what I can gather Herts Lad has been doing this for years so he is probably used to it...

I don't feel I have got used to it at all! I.e. not in the sense of being able to tolerate the cold if wearing too little. I feel the cold as much as anyone.

Rather, what I am used to is knowing what to wear to make it possible. And everyone reading this thread also knows now because I explained exactly what I am wearing.

It's disappointing that nobody here has tried to replicate my approach even as an experiment. All the gear is readily available and nothing needs to cost very much. 

I think the issue for me and lots of others is that the one thing fundamentally incompatible with our lifestyle is covering our hands. A base layer, shirt, jumper is enough to keep the core warm, but my hands are still going to get cold, and without any heating that's going to get actively painful. A pair of thin gloves can help but anything beyond that I can't type, which I need to do for the job.
And once work is done, without freedom in my fingers I can't paint, I can't play videogames, I can't prep food, I can't read a book (guess I could manage a Kindle)  - I have to admit a certain curiosity around what you actually do all day. I agree it's possible, and it clearly works for you, but for me it'd mean a huge fundamental change in lifestyle just because I can't really wear big gloves and live my current life.

Plus some of us have friends who we'd quite like to visit us at home and have social evenings with. None of which is going to happen in the circumstances that the OP describes.
OP, you've not actually said how this works with your social circle?

He has said he does not have people over previously (in one of the many pages 😂) sorry just seen @swipe answered this.