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porkisnotmeat
porkisnotmeat Posts: 72 Forumite
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edited 6 February 2022 at 2:58AM in Site feedback
Maybe you should pay people for their time instead of giving them nothing to help run your commercial entity for you?

Just a thought.

Would exploiting people like this get you in hot water with HMRC?  After all, you're essentially employing people for well below minimum wage, no money is below minimum wage the last I heard.

https://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2004/04/uo_lawsuit_sett.html


To be clear, Ultima Online had unpaid volunteers but they expected them to maintain a certain attendance and they were found to be considered employees because of it.  I appreciate this was a US case but do you really think your "volunteers" are not essentially employees if you're going to make them march to the beat of your drum?

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  • Jenni_D
    Jenni_D Posts: 5,116 Forumite
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    I'm wondering about the relevance of an EIGHTEEN years old blog?
    Jenni x
  • MalMonroe
    MalMonroe Posts: 5,783 Forumite
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    Maybe you should pay people for their time instead of giving them nothing to help run your commercial entity for you?

    Just a thought.

    Would exploiting people like this get you in hot water with HMRC?  After all, you're essentially employing people for well below minimum wage, no money is below minimum wage the last I heard.

    https://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2004/04/uo_lawsuit_sett.html


    To be clear, Ultima Online had unpaid volunteers but they expected them to maintain a certain attendance and they were found to be considered employees because of it.  I appreciate this was a US case but do you really think your "volunteers" are not essentially employees if you're going to make them march to the beat of your drum?
    You need to address your comments to :  forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com

    Many places have volunteers. Sometimes it's a really good way to learn something new. There isn't any exploitation as people are free to apply or not. 
    Please note - taken from the Forum Rules and amended for my own personal use (with thanks) : It is up to you to investigate, check, double-check and check yet again before you make any decisions or take any action based on any information you glean from any of my posts. Although I do carry out careful research before posting and never intend to mislead or supply out-of-date or incorrect information, please do not rely 100% on what you are reading. Verify everything in order to protect yourself as you are responsible for any action you consequently take.
  • john539
    john539 Posts: 16,968 Forumite
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    You must be joking, after they casually hid/deleted Discussion Time & Moneysaving Arms forum boards with decades of threads & posts !!
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    If this is to be done fairly there should be volunteers from each age group/band or we're going to see an even more dividing bias on the forum, it's already here but unless this is addressed it's going to see those with more knowledge leaving.


  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 29,020 Ambassador
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    RNLI are unpaid volunteers, same as board guides/ambassadors, roles are obviously different, but the ethos is the same, we all enjoy helping out, its not a paid position, but both get paid expenses, as with most voluntary roles.

    We are already a very diverse group of individuals, I`m sure MSE will be looking to build on that framework.
    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on the Debt free wannabe, Credit file and ratings, and Bankruptcy and living with it boards. If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.For free non-judgemental debt advice, contact either Stepchange, National Debtline, or CitizensAdviceBureaux.Link to SOA Calculator- https://www.stoozing.com/soa.php The "provit letter" is here-https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2607247/letter-when-you-know-nothing-about-about-the-debt-aka-prove-it-letter
  • Pollycat
    Pollycat Posts: 34,765 Forumite
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    Maybe you should pay people for their time instead of giving them nothing to help run your commercial entity for you?

    Just a thought.

    Would exploiting people like this get you in hot water with HMRC?  After all, you're essentially employing people for well below minimum wage, no money is below minimum wage the last I heard.

    https://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2004/04/uo_lawsuit_sett.html


    To be clear, Ultima Online had unpaid volunteers but they expected them to maintain a certain attendance and they were found to be considered employees because of it.  I appreciate this was a US case but do you really think your "volunteers" are not essentially employees if you're going to make them march to the beat of your drum?
    How can there be exploitation when MSE asked for volunteers?
    As pointed out upthread this is no different to RNLI, charity shops, National Trust/English Heritage etc.

    And lots of forums are run on the same basis. MSE had 'board guides' before 'ambassadors'.

    Quoting a US case is pointless, especially a blog dating back 18 years. And a blog with pretty limited actual information.
    It even starts with "it looks like..." and continues with "while I can't track down any official information...".

    john539 said:
    You must be joking, after they casually hid/deleted Discussion Time & Moneysaving Arms forum boards with decades of threads & posts !!
    I don't think they 'hid' The Arms and DT.
    They closed it after the beginning of the pandemic (I think June 2020) as the forum was so busy and threads in DT had always taken up a lot of their time.
    This was stated on the forum at the time.


  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 29,020 Ambassador
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    [DELETED BY FORUM TEAM]
    This poster has a chip on their shoulder and was most likely active on the forum previously under another name, said some things they shouldn`t have, maybe had a run in with a board guide or two (hence the hostility to me in other posts) and got themselves banned.


    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on the Debt free wannabe, Credit file and ratings, and Bankruptcy and living with it boards. If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.For free non-judgemental debt advice, contact either Stepchange, National Debtline, or CitizensAdviceBureaux.Link to SOA Calculator- https://www.stoozing.com/soa.php The "provit letter" is here-https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2607247/letter-when-you-know-nothing-about-about-the-debt-aka-prove-it-letter
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