PIP have conned me out of 2 years mobility

helenjane55

I originally applied for PIP and ended up getting the Daily enhanced allowance in 2019. I was not told that because I have EUPD, that I should also have received the Mobility component at a further £89.00 per week, and the form was not clear in showing that this was possible either. Mind you, being interviewed by a physio therapist, when I was claiming PIP for serious mental health illness, certainly did not help me either.

Having just received the Pip Mobility component for having EUPD for the last six months, I have just realised that because this almost went to the Tribunal Courts, but they gave it to me at the last minute, that in fact I should have been given this for 2 years, equalling £8,000! Wow, a massive amount to lose when being disabled is not my fault, and would certainly not be my choice either.

I'm now writing to ask, is there any way in which I can take PIP to a tribunal for deliberately not informing me that I could actually apply for this in the first place, we are talking 10 points on PIP Mobility alone?

EUPD has very clear symptoms, and I was diagnosed in 2019, and mental illness does not suddenly change when applying for PIP benefit.  I was completely open about having EUPD and that this was my first application. It seems so wrong that I have been penalised and only because I was not aware that I could have received this in the first place.  Surely when applying for a benefit, the department handling out the forms should ensure that the right benefits are given to the people asking for them.  How on earth are people supposed to know this fact when they go for the interview, surely it would be a legal requirement for the DWP to actually inform the applicant exactly what they are entitled to? Surely this would be the ethical way to do this, but no, it seems that the applicants have to scrabble about in the dirt to find any morsel they should be entitled to in the first place.

I have paid into the system long enough, so why is it so cryptic, and such a sheer fight to find what I am entitled to please, and then to realise that I have lost out simply because no body bothered to tell me what I was entitled in the first place?

I'd  be interested if anybody out there has any answers to this please, it is just an utter scandal not being informed, surely?  

Best wishes, and thanks, Helen

poppy12345

If the decision on that claim was more than 13 months ago and i suspect it was because you said it was 2019 then there's nothing at all you can do about that.

When you received the decision letter on the claim it would have told you on the there that if you disagree with the decision then you can request the Mandatory Reconsideration.

DWP are not benefits advisers. It's your responsibility to prove you qualify for these benefits, not their's.

I don't see any scandal here at all. PIP is not awarded based on any diagnosis and we're all affected differently by these conditions. Not everyone experiences the same symptoms.

Paying into the "system" has nothing to do with PIP entitlement.

calcotti

helenjane55 said:
I was not told that because I have EUPD, that I should also have received the Mobility component at a further £89.00 per week, and the form was not clear in showing that this was possible either. 

PIP is not awarded based on a diagnosis.
The PIP2 form includes questions about the difficulties ou have planning and following a journey and moving around. As with all the other questions you need to explain when completing the form the difficulties you have. If you score sufficient points you receive a Mobility award.

helenjane55 said:
... this almost went to the Tribunal Courts, but they gave it to me at the last minute

You say you have now been awarded it. I'm not clear if this is what you mean but if this as result of DWP giving it to you just prior to a tribunal hearing which was a challenge to the original decision then the revised award will automatically be backdated to when the original decision applies from (the start of the claim if this was your first assessment).

poppy12345

calcotti said:

helenjane55 said:
I was not told that because I have EUPD, that I should also have received the Mobility component at a further £89.00 per week, and the form was not clear in showing that this was possible either. 

PIP is not awarded based on a diagnosis.
The PIP2 form includes questions about the difficulties ou have planning and following a journey and moving around. As with all the other questions you need to explain when completing the form the difficulties you have. If you score sufficient points you receive a Mobility award.

helenjane55 said:
... this almost went to the Tribunal Courts, but they gave it to me at the last minute

You say you have now been awarded it. I'm not clear if this is what you mean but if this as result of DWP giving it to you just prior to a tribunal hearing which was a challenge to the original decision then the revised award will automatically be backdated to when the original decision applies from (the start of the claim if this was your first assessment).

Or was it a review?

Alice_Holt

helenjane55 said:

Having just received the Pip Mobility component for having EUPD for the last six months, I have just realised that because this almost went to the Tribunal Courts, but they gave it to me at the last minute,

      Can you expand on this with a chronology and exact dates, please.

      Do I infer that you asked for a mandatory reconsideration of the decision not to award you the Mobility component?

      If, so when did you do this? 

      Have you had a re-assessment after 2019 ?


    As have been said PIP is not awarded on the basis of diagnosis, but how those conditions affect your ability to perform the PIP activities.

    PIP decision making can often be flawed, and all decisions carry a right of appeal.    

    It is sensible to seek advice from an accredited welfare rights charity if you disagree with the decision - did you do this after the 2019 decision?  

calcotti

poppy12345 said: ..Or was it a review? 

OP's post is not clear so I'm not sure which is why I said 'if'.

Spoonie_Turtle

helenjane55 said:

I originally applied for PIP and ended up getting the Daily enhanced allowance in 2019. I was not told that because I have EUPD, that I should also have received the Mobility component at a further £89.00 per week, and the form was not clear in showing that this was possible either. Mind you, being interviewed by a physio therapist, when I was claiming PIP for serious mental health illness, certainly did not help me either.

Having just received the Pip Mobility component for having EUPD for the last six months, I have just realised that because this almost went to the Tribunal Courts, but they gave it to me at the last minute, that in fact I should have been given this for 2 years, equalling £8,000! Wow, a massive amount to lose when being disabled is not my fault, and would certainly not be my choice either.

I'm now writing to ask, is there any way in which I can take PIP to a tribunal for deliberately not informing me that I could actually apply for this in the first place, we are talking 10 points on PIP Mobility alone?

EUPD has very clear symptoms, and I was diagnosed in 2019, and mental illness does not suddenly change when applying for PIP benefit.  I was completely open about having EUPD and that this was my first application. It seems so wrong that I have been penalised and only because I was not aware that I could have received this in the first place.  Surely when applying for a benefit, the department handling out the forms should ensure that the right benefits are given to the people asking for them.  How on earth are people supposed to know this fact when they go for the interview, surely it would be a legal requirement for the DWP to actually inform the applicant exactly what they are entitled to? Surely this would be the ethical way to do this, but no, it seems that the applicants have to scrabble about in the dirt to find any morsel they should be entitled to in the first place.

I have paid into the system long enough, so why is it so cryptic, and such a sheer fight to find what I am entitled to please, and then to realise that I have lost out simply because no body bothered to tell me what I was entitled in the first place?

I'd  be interested if anybody out there has any answers to this please, it is just an utter scandal not being informed, surely?  

Best wishes, and thanks, Helen

Unfortunately the DWP cannot be relied upon to collect all the relevant information in order to make the correct decision, so the burden is on us as claimants to either fully understand what we should be entitled to, or to get qualified advice, so that we know whether the decision in the end is appropriate or not.  It's not fair but alas that's the way it is.  There is no conning as such, rather systemic failings - really there should be qualified professionals who understand a wide range of health conditions in depth, to know what questions to ask in order to elicit relevant facts from claimants, rather than the current arrangement which requires claimants to either be well enough or to have someone knowledgeable helping them. 

The only possible scant 'consolation' here is that everyone faces the same system so it's nothing personal to you.

In terms of what you can do about it, that depends*.  If there is nothing you can do yourself but you have the emotional energy to do so, it may be worth contacting a relevant charity in case anyone's collecting accounts for any future reports or legal action.  (e.g. Mind, Scope, Disability Rights UK - if they're not, they might know if anyone else is.)

*Edited per the comment from calcotti - depends on the exact details of your claim history.

calcotti

Spoonie_Turtle said:  ...In terms of what you can do about it, nothing yourself now as already advised, ..

That isn't clear yet because the claim history isn't clear.

Spoonie_Turtle

calcotti said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:  ...In terms of what you can do about it, nothing yourself now as already advised, ..

That isn't clear yet because the claim history isn't clear.

Oh good point, thanks.  Will edit accordingly.

Alice_Holt

Spoonie_Turtle said:

helenjane55 said:

I originally applied for PIP and ended up getting the Daily enhanced allowance in 2019. I was not told that because I have EUPD, that I should also have received the Mobility component at a further £89.00 per week, and the form was not clear in showing that this was possible either. Mind you, being interviewed by a physio therapist, when I was claiming PIP for serious mental health illness, certainly did not help me either.

Having just received the Pip Mobility component for having EUPD for the last six months, I have just realised that because this almost went to the Tribunal Courts, but they gave it to me at the last minute, that in fact I should have been given this for 2 years, equalling £8,000! Wow, a massive amount to lose when being disabled is not my fault, and would certainly not be my choice either.

I'm now writing to ask, is there any way in which I can take PIP to a tribunal for deliberately not informing me that I could actually apply for this in the first place, we are talking 10 points on PIP Mobility alone?

EUPD has very clear symptoms, and I was diagnosed in 2019, and mental illness does not suddenly change when applying for PIP benefit.  I was completely open about having EUPD and that this was my first application. It seems so wrong that I have been penalised and only because I was not aware that I could have received this in the first place.  Surely when applying for a benefit, the department handling out the forms should ensure that the right benefits are given to the people asking for them.  How on earth are people supposed to know this fact when they go for the interview, surely it would be a legal requirement for the DWP to actually inform the applicant exactly what they are entitled to? Surely this would be the ethical way to do this, but no, it seems that the applicants have to scrabble about in the dirt to find any morsel they should be entitled to in the first place.

I have paid into the system long enough, so why is it so cryptic, and such a sheer fight to find what I am entitled to please, and then to realise that I have lost out simply because no body bothered to tell me what I was entitled in the first place?

I'd  be interested if anybody out there has any answers to this please, it is just an utter scandal not being informed, surely?  

Best wishes, and thanks, Helen

In terms of what you can do about it, that depends*.  If there is nothing you can do yourself but you have the emotional energy to do so, it may be worth contacting a relevant charity in case anyone's collecting accounts for any future reports or legal action.  (e.g. Mind, Scope, Disability Rights UK - if they're not, they might know if anyone else is.)

*Edited per the comment from calcotti - depends on the exact details of your claim history.

      Hopefully the OP may come back with a chronology and exact dates of her claim / mandatory reconsideration history.
Then, we may be able to make some concrete suggestions.

   If she doesn't, and for the benefit of others reading her thread, I would echo your comments.
  I would also suggest she:
    i)  familiarises herself with the PIP descriptors and the PIP process;
    ii) prepares the ground for getting relevant additional evidence in readiness for her next re-assessment;
   iii)  establishes where her local advice agency is;
   iv) researches the online PIP resources e.g.

       https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/
     https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046238/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

    https://www.mentalhealthandmoneyadvice.org/en/welfare-benefits/pip-mental-health-guide/

   https://www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-win-pip-appeal

   

FTBuyeruk

enhanced rate for mobility on pip is not 89 pound the actual amount is more around the 60 pound mark enhanced daily living is 89 ish