Help with smoke/heat alarms - hardwired/battery or a combination of both

Dorian1958

Thank you both.  I have now sent an email to Aico asking my questions.  It is my understanding that the most up to date interconnected alarms (smoke and heat) have a means of cancelling remotely, so I'm hopefully going to be able to both comply with the legislation (have interlinked alarms without removable batteries with only a heat alarm in the kitchen) and avoid the false alarm problems indicated by Doozergirl.

BUFF

Fyi, FireAngel Pro Connected (which is what I have used) offer you the option of a remote (which I have ) or an internet connected gateway plus phone app. The gateway+phone app is dearer but does offer the potential advantage of notification/control wherever you may be (as long as you have a phone signal).

Atm you may be constrained by what you can actually find in stock & no doubt at currently inflated prices ... (I paid ~£35 for my alarms - somewhat dearer atm)

Dorian1958

Yes they are pricey atm (if you can source them at all), Aico models retailing typically £85 for battery interconnected, and a bit cheaper for hardwired interconnected (£50) - Screwfix prices rounded up.  My insurance company (Magnet) says I'm ok at the moment, so I don't need to panic and rush.

Risteard

Doozergirl said:

We have Nest alarms.  They're not cheap but I think they're a valuable investment.  It's worth looking at all of the features they offer.  

They do hard wired and battery operated units so you could mix and match.  They will all link through your wifi system.  

Nest do not do a heat detector, so I would strongly advise against them as compliance with BS 5839-6:2019 is unlikely to be achieved with these.

The Irish manufactured Ei Electronics (aka Aico) detectors are excellent products.

Doozergirl

Risteard said:

Doozergirl said:

We have Nest alarms.  They're not cheap but I think they're a valuable investment.  It's worth looking at all of the features they offer.  

They do hard wired and battery operated units so you could mix and match.  They will all link through your wifi system.  

Nest do not do a heat detector, so I would strongly advise against them as compliance with BS 5839-6:2019 is unlikely to be achieved with these.

The Irish manufactured Ei Electronics (aka Aico) detectors are excellent products.

They don't do a separate heat detector, is the point.  The OP in reply 2 pointed out that it wouldn't meet the BS, but not for the lack of heat detection in the product.  

Risteard

Doozergirl said:

Risteard said:

Doozergirl said:

We have Nest alarms.  They're not cheap but I think they're a valuable investment.  It's worth looking at all of the features they offer.  

They do hard wired and battery operated units so you could mix and match.  They will all link through your wifi system.  

Nest do not do a heat detector, so I would strongly advise against them as compliance with BS 5839-6:2019 is unlikely to be achieved with these.

The Irish manufactured Ei Electronics (aka Aico) detectors are excellent products.

They don't do a separate heat detector, is the point.  The OP in reply 2 pointed out that it wouldn't meet the BS, but not for the lack of heat detection in the product.  

Standalone heat detector - I thought that was obvious. I have told you a number of times before that Nest products are not suitable for compliance with BS 5839-6. Really you should stop pushing them as you are likely to mislead people as to their merits or, in this case, otherwise.

Doozergirl

Risteard said:

Doozergirl said:

Risteard said:

Doozergirl said:

We have Nest alarms.  They're not cheap but I think they're a valuable investment.  It's worth looking at all of the features they offer.  

They do hard wired and battery operated units so you could mix and match.  They will all link through your wifi system.  

Nest do not do a heat detector, so I would strongly advise against them as compliance with BS 5839-6:2019 is unlikely to be achieved with these.

The Irish manufactured Ei Electronics (aka Aico) detectors are excellent products.

They don't do a separate heat detector, is the point.  The OP in reply 2 pointed out that it wouldn't meet the BS, but not for the lack of heat detection in the product.  

Standalone heat detector - I thought that was obvious. I have told you a number of times before that Nest products are not suitable for compliance with BS 5839-6. Really you should stop pushing them as you are likely to mislead people as to their merits or, in this case, otherwise.

We're going to continue to disagree.    They provide *more* than the required standard in every room of a house, so it's ridiculous that they don't pass a test by means of that fact.  They continue to pass in England.  

Risteard

Doozergirl said:

Risteard said:

Doozergirl said:

Risteard said:

Doozergirl said:

We have Nest alarms.  They're not cheap but I think they're a valuable investment.  It's worth looking at all of the features they offer.  

They do hard wired and battery operated units so you could mix and match.  They will all link through your wifi system.  

Nest do not do a heat detector, so I would strongly advise against them as compliance with BS 5839-6:2019 is unlikely to be achieved with these.

The Irish manufactured Ei Electronics (aka Aico) detectors are excellent products.

They don't do a separate heat detector, is the point.  The OP in reply 2 pointed out that it wouldn't meet the BS, but not for the lack of heat detection in the product.  

Standalone heat detector - I thought that was obvious. I have told you a number of times before that Nest products are not suitable for compliance with BS 5839-6. Really you should stop pushing them as you are likely to mislead people as to their merits or, in this case, otherwise.

We're going to continue to disagree.    They provide *more* than the required standard in every room of a house, so it's ridiculous.   

No - they very, very clearly fail to meet the minimum standards as laid out in BS 5839-6:2019 - that is not open to debate.

Doozergirl

They exceed the minimum standard is the problem, because they don't *only* provide heat detection in a kitchen, but smoke and CO as well.  

BUFF

Nest say that they can't function solely as a heat detector (you would have thought that it wouldn't be too hard to isolate 1 part of the detector seeing as they are apparently different sensors, perhaps even with a software update) https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Nest-Protect/Updates-on-Nest-Protect-and-pending-Scottish-legislation-changes/m-p/25058#M842 & that they have no plans to produce one despite having been asked/warned for 2 years.

Additionally, as I have previously pointed out, the battery Nests also fail to meet the Scottish legislation by having removable batteries.