It's getting tough out there. Feeling the pinch?

Pollycat

-taff said:

Harking back to how things used to be is all fine and dandy, but we do not live like that now. No one can turn a clock back and wipe out 70 or 80 years of history. No one wil ever persuade society as whole now to live like the war years. And losing weight is not as easy as saying eat less excercise more otherwise we'd all be doing it and have no need of dieting clubs or organisations or of fat shaming. Yes, we can be healthy and be overweight, not everyone who is overweight will get type 2 diabetes, just as not everyone who smokes will get lung cancer. Of course it would be easier if no one was overweight but we don't have magic wands, and listening to people tell us stories of the good old days does not help. I'm a bit annoyed really because at the base of a lot of fat shaming is the belief that fat people are lazy, stupid or dumb, greedy, unworthy or shameful. Really think about how you feel about overweight people and examine your attitudes about how they got that way and see if any of those descriptors figure in your thinking, and I'll bet there is. I bet it's even easier to just say, oh but I didnt mean any of that, I meant this, or that.

As a total aside, what I love about young girls who are not a slender size 10 and are a larger size is that they are confident, they wear short dresses that show off their knees and larger legs, they don't care about what other people think of them, they will wear less clothing and not wander round in sackcloth and ashes to hide their fatness away from judgemental people.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/04/question-being-fat-battling-better-healthcare

I was born 8 years after the war ended.
We didn't live 'like the war years'.
We were well fed.
But nobody in our family - and I mean grandparents, Aunties and Uncles and cousins - were overweight, let alone obese.
We walked to school. We walked home. As Longwalker says, we played outside, there were no X-boxes to sit in front of in the "good old days".

It might not help to listen to stories of "the good old days".
But you can't escape the fact that during those "good old days" the majority of women were a true size 12. 
That is a 24" waist.
Not the sizes that retailers call 10/12/14 nowadays.
And the majority of people were not obese.

-taff

It is not an all powerful food industry. There are plenty of things available now which are not unhealthy, lots of SMs with cheap offers for fruit and veg, lots of fresh food companies etc. But..there is also a lot of poverty, and being unable to afford to eat 'healthily', not having the tools to do that whether it's time, cash or knowledge.

I'm not calling it fat shaming if a person has been told by a doctor that they are type 2, but i am most defiitely calling it fat shaming when you pie chart all the overweight people in that disagnosis...

And again, what's the point of doing a history hark back when that will never be on the cards, never be a viable option [or at least not until there is absolutely no other way] and just serve as historic virtue signalling.

euronorris

Had a 'mare of a weekend. DD has a dental abscess, only noticed on Friday evening when she complained of a 'sore spot'. 1.5 hours on hold to 111 on Saturday morning to get emergency dentist appt on the Sunday morning. One of her baby teeth has to come out. It had previously cracked and a bit chipped away, and our usual dentist said it was all clean, no signs of decay, so put a temp filling on it to protect it until the tooth came out naturally. Evidently the temp filling had fallen out and an infection had set in. Luckily she was already on antibiotics for the tonsillitis which the dentist said had helped to get the abscess under control, but the tooth needs to come out. Waiting on a call back from our regular dentist this morning.

Then, whilst out shopping, I messaged my Mum to find that she had had a fall in the garden. Some grazes, bruises and a nasty cut to her leg, but luckily nothing broken/more serious.

On the other discussion, those of us who are overweight KNOW that we are. We don't need it pointed out and people telling us to just do this, that or the other. If it was as simple or easy as that, we'd have done it. Also, I would like to point out that a propensity to obesity is genetic. Not everyone growing up in the same environment/with the same diet will become obese.

And not everyone who is overweight/obese is unhealthy (and many of them are very active). And vice versa. There are plenty of slim people who eat too much fat, sugar, salt and have high cholesterol and develop diabetes, high blood pressure heart diseases etc. But they don't get the same comments about their lifestyle choices because so many people equate slim with being healthy (and vice versa). 

Anyway, can we move on from that convo please? This thread is about the cost of living and the price of everything, not what we should or shouldn't be eating.

Pollycat

euronorris said:

Had a 'mare of a weekend. DD has a dental abscess, only noticed on Friday evening when she complained of a 'sore spot'. 1.5 hours on hold to 111 on Saturday morning to get emergency dentist appt on the Sunday morning. One of her baby teeth has to come out. It had previously cracked and a bit chipped away, and our usual dentist said it was all clean, no signs of decay, so put a temp filling on it to protect it until the tooth came out naturally. Evidently the temp filling had fallen out and an infection had set in. Luckily she was already on antibiotics for the tonsillitis which the dentist said had helped to get the abscess under control, but the tooth needs to come out. Waiting on a call back from our regular dentist this morning.

Then, whilst out shopping, I messaged my Mum to find that she had had a fall in the garden. Some grazes, bruises and a nasty cut to her leg, but luckily nothing broken/more serious.

On the other discussion, those of us who are overweight KNOW that we are. We don't need it pointed out and people telling us to just do this, that or the other. If it was as simple or easy as that, we'd have done it. Also, I would like to point out that a propensity to obesity is genetic. Not everyone growing up in the same environment/with the same diet will become obese.

And not everyone who is overweight/obese is unhealthy (and many of them are very active). And vice versa. There are plenty of slim people who eat too much fat, sugar, salt and have high cholesterol and develop diabetes, high blood pressure heart diseases etc. But they don't get the same comments about their lifestyle choices because so many people equate slim with being healthy (and vice versa). 

Anyway, can we move on from that convo please? This thread is about the cost of living and the price of everything, not what we should or shouldn't be eating.

Yes, let's keep to the thread topic.
Cost of living and price of stuff.

Auntycaz

@euronorris so sorry to hear you've had such an awful weekend. Hope your mum and DD  both feel better soon.  I totally agree about getting the thread back on topic. We should be trying to help and support each other
@YorksLass thank you for you good wishes for Friday.

Nelliegrace

That is what we all want, real food at a price people can afford, and not cheap highly processed stuff which makes people ill.
The good food is there, usually round the edge of the supermarket, but so many people now lack the knowledge and skills to make use of it.
Convenience food is killing us. 

JIL

I'm really not sure what is going on, are people too busy to look and cook?

So many people where I work, wouldn't have a clue where to start, a lunch brought in from home is a pot noodle or a tin of soup. However most lunchtime it's a walk to Macdonalds or Gregg's.
Picking up a takeaway on the way home from the chip shop. I wont mention the amount of cakes and biscuits brought in to be shared. This is an office based job.

Portions from takeaways are now huge, a children's meal is double the size of an adult portion in days gone past.

Lots of younger generation are now buying the meal kit delivery and actually learning to cook that way. A benefit I would not have believed possible previously. 

I learned most of my cooking and nutrition knowledge from school and it fascinated me. I enjoyed it and did more courses as I got older.

Really not sure what the answer is to the current situation other than cook at home, use seasonal produce, eat smaller portions, takeaways as an occasional treat and perhaps your wallet and waistline will improve?

Pollycat

Aren't we supposed to be getting this thread back on topic...?
Cost of living and price of stuff.

Not chatting about family or discussing what is wrong with the way people cook/eat nowadays. 🤷

Nelliegrace

Sticking plaster or diagnosis and remedial action? @Pollycat
Cost of living crisis needs a rethink on how we use our money more wisely, not just buying a cheaper packet of crisps.

We are saving money by cutting down on meat, cheese, butter, oils, and sugar, allowing a set amount each week, saving any surplus bought yellow stickered or on offer so there will be some for future weeks. 
We are using more pulses for cheaper protein.
We are filling up on seasonal, wonky and yellow-stickered vegetables and fruit. 
We are buying just basic ingredients, cooking from scratch using fuel economically.
We are making good wholemeal bread at almost the same price as a budget white sliced loaf, and a batch of soup for the price of a budget can.
We are reducing portion size and avoiding waste.
We are taking our own food and drinks when we go out. We are not buying take-aways.
Treats are just an occasional thing, like a bit of economy dark chocolate on Sunday. 

Pollycat

Nelliegrace said:

Sticking plaster or diagnosis and remedial action? @Pollycat

I have no idea what this means.

Nelliegrace said:

Sticking plaster or diagnosis and remedial action? @Pollycat
Cost of living crisis needs a rethink on how we use our money more wisely, not just buying a cheaper packet of crisps.

A rethink about the cost of living crisis is different to criticising people for not knowing how to cook.