TFL / London Congestion charge

outtatune

NBLondon said:

lammy82 said:

I think that TFL should have a process whereby if the vehicle has been sold and the registered keeper has changed, the previous owner who forgot to close their Autopay account can have the charges transferred to the new registered keeper. 

Do you reckon it happens often enough to justify TfL setting up this process?  Who's going to tell TfL the contact details of the new RK?  Maybe the person selling the car could do that.

Assuming TFL are telling the truth in that they're not "double dipping", there is someone out there knowingly driving into the congestion charge zone and not paying for it, with no agreement between them and the OP for OP to pay for them.

Yep.  That's the person who owes the OP £840 then.  How does the OP find out who that is...   Perhaps they could start with who they sold the car to?  If it was a private sale - it might be the same individual.  But if the car went to a dealer or has since been sold on - the same Data Protection barrier will be there.

Hope the OP has checked for any other autopay - Dartford Crossing perhaps?

Why does the current owner or driver owe the OP £840? They never asked the OP to pay the charges and never offered to compensate the OP for doing so.

Ergates

outtatune said:

NBLondon said:

lammy82 said:

I think that TFL should have a process whereby if the vehicle has been sold and the registered keeper has changed, the previous owner who forgot to close their Autopay account can have the charges transferred to the new registered keeper. 

Do you reckon it happens often enough to justify TfL setting up this process?  Who's going to tell TfL the contact details of the new RK?  Maybe the person selling the car could do that.

Assuming TFL are telling the truth in that they're not "double dipping", there is someone out there knowingly driving into the congestion charge zone and not paying for it, with no agreement between them and the OP for OP to pay for them.

Yep.  That's the person who owes the OP £840 then.  How does the OP find out who that is...   Perhaps they could start with who they sold the car to?  If it was a private sale - it might be the same individual.  But if the car went to a dealer or has since been sold on - the same Data Protection barrier will be there.

Hope the OP has checked for any other autopay - Dartford Crossing perhaps?

Why does the current owner or driver owe the OP £840? They never asked the OP to pay the charges and never offered to compensate the OP for doing so.

If it came to a court case I doubt that would stand.  It would have been  pretty obvious that the OP was still paying the charge and they kept on driving into the city without bothering to set up a payment scheme of their own.  I don't believe for a second they didn't know full well what was happening.

If you sold someone a laptop and forgot to scrub all your data from it, and you found out after a few months that they'd be using your Amazon account to buy things, would you accept an argument of "I never asked you to pay for the items"?   Obviously this case isn't quite the same, but a similar principle applies.

jon81uk

Ergates said:

outtatune said:

NBLondon said:

lammy82 said:

I think that TFL should have a process whereby if the vehicle has been sold and the registered keeper has changed, the previous owner who forgot to close their Autopay account can have the charges transferred to the new registered keeper. 

Do you reckon it happens often enough to justify TfL setting up this process?  Who's going to tell TfL the contact details of the new RK?  Maybe the person selling the car could do that.

Assuming TFL are telling the truth in that they're not "double dipping", there is someone out there knowingly driving into the congestion charge zone and not paying for it, with no agreement between them and the OP for OP to pay for them.

Yep.  That's the person who owes the OP £840 then.  How does the OP find out who that is...   Perhaps they could start with who they sold the car to?  If it was a private sale - it might be the same individual.  But if the car went to a dealer or has since been sold on - the same Data Protection barrier will be there.

Hope the OP has checked for any other autopay - Dartford Crossing perhaps?

Why does the current owner or driver owe the OP £840? They never asked the OP to pay the charges and never offered to compensate the OP for doing so.

If it came to a court case I doubt that would stand.  It would have been  pretty obvious that the OP was still paying the charge and they kept on driving into the city without bothering to set up a payment scheme of their own.  I don't believe for a second they didn't know full well what was happening.

If you sold someone a laptop and forgot to scrub all your data from it, and you found out after a few months that they'd be using your Amazon account to buy things, would you accept an argument of "I never asked you to pay for the items"?   Obviously this case isn't quite the same, but a similar principle applies.

How do you know the new owner wasn't paying too via a different method?

user1977

Ergates said:

outtatune said:

NBLondon said:

lammy82 said:

I think that TFL should have a process whereby if the vehicle has been sold and the registered keeper has changed, the previous owner who forgot to close their Autopay account can have the charges transferred to the new registered keeper. 

Do you reckon it happens often enough to justify TfL setting up this process?  Who's going to tell TfL the contact details of the new RK?  Maybe the person selling the car could do that.

Assuming TFL are telling the truth in that they're not "double dipping", there is someone out there knowingly driving into the congestion charge zone and not paying for it, with no agreement between them and the OP for OP to pay for them.

Yep.  That's the person who owes the OP £840 then.  How does the OP find out who that is...   Perhaps they could start with who they sold the car to?  If it was a private sale - it might be the same individual.  But if the car went to a dealer or has since been sold on - the same Data Protection barrier will be there.

Hope the OP has checked for any other autopay - Dartford Crossing perhaps?

Why does the current owner or driver owe the OP £840? They never asked the OP to pay the charges and never offered to compensate the OP for doing so.

If it came to a court case I doubt that would stand.  It would have been  pretty obvious that the OP was still paying the charge and they kept on driving into the city without bothering to set up a payment scheme of their own.  I don't believe for a second they didn't know full well what was happening.

If you sold someone a laptop and forgot to scrub all your data from it, and you found out after a few months that they'd be using your Amazon account to buy things, would you accept an argument of "I never asked you to pay for the items"?   Obviously this case isn't quite the same, but a similar principle applies.

The latter example would be clearly fraudulent. Not sure how it would be "obvious" that the OP is paying the congestion charges? You mean simply the lack of penalty notices appearing in the post?

I can't see the buyer (or whoever the current registered keeper is) has any sort of implied legal obligation to the OP.