Realistic flame effect - electric stove

FreeBear

bob_a_builder said:

Bendy_House said:

I thought it worked really well - a good level of light, and a nice warm, glowing-fire tone. My only issue with it was that the flame 'effect' - the adjusting light levels - were not like flame 'flicker', so I wonder if two lamps would help that, giving it a faster and more random effect?

Upgraded to 2 lamps now ...

both videos here
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eeE6oWxJnwoHcjHY7

Just an observation from someone that has a real log fire - Your flickering is too rapid and the change in luminosity is too great. I'd suggest reducing the speed and brightness of the flicker for a more realistic effect.

bob_a_builder

FreeBear said:

bob_a_builder said:

Bendy_House said:

I thought it worked really well - a good level of light, and a nice warm, glowing-fire tone. My only issue with it was that the flame 'effect' - the adjusting light levels - were not like flame 'flicker', so I wonder if two lamps would help that, giving it a faster and more random effect?

Upgraded to 2 lamps now ...

both videos here
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eeE6oWxJnwoHcjHY7

Just an observation from someone that has a real log fire - Your flickering is too rapid and the change in luminosity is too great. I'd suggest reducing the speed and brightness of the flicker for a more realistic effect.

Unfortunately I have no control of that now, these are off the shelf LED 'flame' bulbs 

BikingBud

Tried this 

No mess or dust.

bob_a_builder

Trouble is my fireplace is 4:3 rather than 16:9 

BikingBud

bob_a_builder said:

Trouble is my fireplace is 4:3 rather than 16:9 

Bit of 2*1 framing painted matt black should sort it.

Man sure you have surround sound and sub woofer on to maximise the spitting from the logs!

Bendy_House

Interesting to compare your 2-bulb effort with a real flame above.

I have to agree with FB - there's a lot about it that's good, but it isn't quite there. I think the main thing is the large change in light level - it goes up and down too much; try looking at it (the vid) out the corner of your eye, and then do the same with the real flame - the real flame has hardly any actual variation in LIGHT output. Also, the real flame 'flickers' more, and more quickly, whereas the bulb one 'dims' up and down and doesn't 'flicker'.

The colour of the bulbs, tho', is great - really warm and cosy. That effect alone is worth it. I wonder if a solution - since you cannot adjust these actual bulbs - is to have one or two 'fixed' bulbs with a steady warm glow to provide most of the effect, and then these bulbs - one or two - then provide a background level of variation. On their own, they vary too much to be realistic.

Hmm, BikingBud's idea! Got to be room inside that stove for an old iPad?

twopenny

I read with interest - and without wanting to start a debate - I come from an area where we just have so many logs from the masses of trees cut down due to disease. They will all go to waste.

It gets me because this stuff is left to rot especially with the amount of trees culled due to the Ash Dieback stacked up with nowhere to go and the fact I've watched the power station glow 24/7 over 5yrs and it can been seen night and day 50 miles away, people being flown in from around the world to enlarge it. The balance is totally out with the amount of fuel used to create the current demand that is in itself created by us being told electric is the way to go when in some areas it's leaving the cheaper, more environmentally obvious answer in favour of unseen environment detrimental impact.

So I'd say in Moneysaver style if that was all your concern keep your log burner with greater heat and comfort if you live somewhere that logs are cheaper and cause less impact on the environment by being local it makes sense over the massive international development of power stations.

If it's a city then electric is the way to go. In the country or near then it's reasonable to use logs.

No mess no dust is a case some prefer but that is a personal decision not an ecological one.

Blanket philosophies don't always work but be sure you are doing what is right for you.

Alderbank

twopenny said:

I read with interest - and without wanting to start a debate - I come from an area where we just have so many logs from the masses of trees cut down due to disease. They will all go to waste.

So I'd say in Moneysaver style if that was all your concern keep your log burner with greater heat and comfort if you live somewhere that logs are cheaper and cause less impact on the environment...

That's the problem with log burners though, they are highly polluting.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/09/eco-wood-stoves-emit-pollution-hgv-ecodesign

The environmental report referred to says, 'Domestic wood burning is the single biggest source of PM2.5 air pollution in the UK, producing three times more pollution than all road traffic.
At least 40 ,000 early deaths a year are attributed to wood burning in Europe. A brand new wood stove, fulfilling the strictest regulation we have and burning just one kilogramme of wood under optimal conditions, will pollute one million cubic metres of completely clean air.'

The above is under ideal conditions burning fully seasoned wood. I'm sure you know, living in the country like I do, how many people have no idea how long it takes for forest wood to dry out so they burn wood which is still wet so is even more polluting.

FreeBear

twopenny said:

I read with interest - and without wanting to start a debate - I come from an area where we just have so many logs from the masses of trees cut down due to disease. They will all go to waste.

It gets me because this stuff is left to rot especially with the amount of trees culled due to the Ash Dieback stacked up with nowhere to go

The problem with infected Ash is you do not want to be transporting the logs around the country. Doing so could well spread the fungal spores to areas that are currently clear of the disease. But I also share your disappointment that good quality disease free fuel is going to waste. Leaving it to rot is going to release the same amount of CO2 into the atmosphere as burning it, so it may as well be put to good use.

mobileron

Time to sell the car as well.there should be no smoke smell in the house with a good chimney liner.