And now the BPA want £120!

Umkomaas

The article says it all. 😄

holderness

Of course they do, it's a £400 million pound industry
They need to look at their own inability to deal with unscrupulous and dishonest ex clampers when they lose their golden goose 

fisherjim

"The BPA says fines of £50.........." I bet they did not say that!

How ever the whole article is strange as the BPA talking about the "fine" being any percentage of a persons wages is immaterial in a contractual agreement surely.

patient_dream

£120 ??  Have the BPA moved to LA LA Land ?

That would be a private tax on motorists at a time when this year millions will fall into poverty
How irresponsible and just more proof that the BPA are simply not fit for purpose

But it continues here in their latest propaganda

Millions more parking charges could be issued under Government proposals

https://www.britishparking-media.co.uk/news/millions-more-parking-charges-could-be-issued-under-government-proposals

The headline refers to an increase in car ownership .... well the car industry are down by some 40% .... Government proposals are to reduce parking charges by 50% ... how on earth will that mean more tickets are issued ?  Are the BPA now trying to blame the government ?
Once the charge is reduced no doubt the parking companies will work harder to produce more tickets but the new appeals service will probably scupper most of these anyway.

This article says ... "In addition, Transport Scotland has consulted to increase penalty charge levels to £120 to achieve compliance with parking controls and keep our towns and cities moving. 95% of our respondents believe that this is the level required for England & Wales too".

These people are in denial of the facts. What covid has taught people is they no longer have to go to town to shop, they can do it all online now

They make reference to Dr. Giuliano Mingardo, who is from Holland.  This really is scratcning at straws ? ...... Holland being in the EU and the UK now out of the EU, don't the BPA understand we make our own rules now ? 

I'm sure the government is not so naive to listen to this propaganda
Who writes this stuff ???

Umkomaas

Dr. Giuliano Mingardo, a senior researcher at the Erasmus Centre for Urban, Port and Transport Economics stated in his recent report[2]: "Clearly, lower parking fines will strongly reduce the effectiveness of parking enforcement. Without enforcement, any form of parking regulation and management is impossible to achieve."

For the vast majority of people a £50/£25 penalty is a more than sufficient deterrent, especially coupled with the fact that it's being paid to private enterprises whose main objective in life is to penalise motorists. 

to enable effective parking management and avoid the type of chaos seen at many seaside towns and beauty spots when lockdown eased last summer. 

That's pretty disingenuous.  That 'chaos' in a small number of places was resulting from 'freedom' following months and months of the strictest lockdown ever experienced. People were desperate to escape the four walls of their homes. 

But, the 'chaos' was extremely short-lived; after that first weekend flurry of media attention, it has become no longer evident. Life, whilst still not 'normal', is returning from the extremes of the pandemic, along with it, parking.  And quite possibly parking volumes have reduced, given the ease and effectiveness of online shopping. 

The BPA should be ashamed of their output in that article; but such disingenuity is a phenomenon not unknown to them. 

Sareck

It's just greed , which will be their undoing , maybe it should be high for parking in disabled bays etc , blatant abuse of facilities , but not for a wheel on a line or an incorrect character in a PDT machine. Let us hope that common sense prevails 👍

Jenni_D

fisherjim said:

"The BPA says fines of £50.........." I bet they did not say that!

How ever the whole article is strange as the BPA talking about the "fine" being any percentage of a persons wages is immaterial in a contractual agreement surely.

For clarity - it was not the BPA making the percentage comparison, it was "Motoring Groups" in response to the BPA article/blog/wherever this was posted.  

patient_dream

Jenni_D said:

fisherjim said:

"The BPA says fines of £50.........." I bet they did not say that!

How ever the whole article is strange as the BPA talking about the "fine" being any percentage of a persons wages is immaterial in a contractual agreement surely.

For clarity - it was not the BPA making the percentage comparison, it was "Motoring Groups" in response to the BPA article/blog/wherever this was posted.  

Probably from here ... but it is very clear the BPA want £120

 "In addition, Transport Scotland has consulted to increase penalty charge levels to £120 to achieve compliance with parking controls and keep our towns and cities moving. 95% of our respondents believe that this is the level required for England & Wales too".

Guess who put this in their respondents minds .... ????  Such a shameless set up

Coupon-mad

This was in the Daily Mail I think.

But various similar articles were fed out by the BPA in press releases and tweets.  News articles are on the BPA website about it.

I believe that the BPA also asked what an averagely intelligent observer might call 'loaded questions' of Local Authorities last year.  Then the BPA published that in their 'survey' the LAs almost all 'agreed' that Scotland are right to consult on INCREASING Council PCNs to £120.

How was that survey question worded? If you word questions in a certain way you will likely get the answers and percentages that you want.

Handy that the BPA membership and/or their Board members (check Companies House) includes all of the following: 

DRAs
PPCs 
Local Authorities

Then there was also in 2021, the 'Public Perceptions of Parking' survey the BPA like to bang on about in tweets and in Parking News.  Using that survey, the BPA say that the public fully support private parking charges/ enforcement, when (if you read the questions the survey asked, as I did ages ago in Parking News or somewhere similar in the public domain) those questions appeared to the public to be asking about Council penalties.

Quite clever when you represent all these areas of the parking world and can ask whatever questions they like in surveys and hope that some of the Government are still labouring under the illusion that the BPA are a Regulator/expert.

Just as the DFT did in 2012.

Hopefully this time the DLUHC show a more robust and far less naive understanding of what they are dealing with.

fisherjim

Coupon-mad said:

This was in the Daily Mail I think.

But various similar articles were fed out by the BPA in press releases and tweets.  News articles are on the BPA website about it.

I believe that the BPA also asked what an averagely intelligent observer might call 'loaded questions' of Local Authorities last year.  Then the BPA published that in their 'survey' the LAs almost all 'agreed' that Scotland are right to consult on INCREASING Council PCNs to £120.

How was that survey question worded? If you word questions in a certain way you will likely get the answers and percentages that you want.

Handy that the BPA membership and/or their Board members (check Companies House) includes all of the following: 

DRAs
PPCs 
Local Authorities

Then there was also in 2021, the 'Public Perceptions of Parking' survey the BPA like to bang on about in tweets and in Parking News.  Using that survey, the BPA say that the public fully support private parking charges/ enforcement, when (if you read the questions the survey asked, as I did ages ago in Parking News or somewhere similar in the public domain) those questions appeared to the public to be asking about Council penalties.

Quite clever when you represent all these areas of the parking world and can ask whatever questions they like in surveys and hope that some of the Government are still labouring under the illusion that the BPA are a Regulator/expert.

Just as the DFT did in 2012.

Hopefully this time the DLUHC show a more robust and far less naive understanding of what they are dealing with.

Must have been devised by an outside agency as the BPA in general aren't that bright.

Le_Kirk

Coupon-mad said:

I believe that the BPA also asked what an averagely intelligent observer might call 'loaded questions' of Local Authorities last year.  Then the BPA published that in their 'survey' the LAs almost all 'agreed' that Scotland are right to consult on INCREASING Council PCNs to £120.

Of course if the question is - "Do you agree that there should be consultation on increasing Council penalties to £300 or £120 the majority will answer £120 especially if there is  no "none of the above" option"