Windows 10 to 11

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Ibrahim5 said:

The first rule of selling software is to make sure that it will run on the hardware that people own. Microsoft have failed.

Not so for operating systems.

The hardware people own already have an operating system, no need to buy one. Anything newer than 5 years old on Windows 10 almost certainly runs Windows 11.

All new hardware sold will be capable of running Windows 11.

I would hate for Microsoft to stop progressing with their systems just to please a few tech dinosaurs who want everything to stay the same.

And there are hundreds of other operating systems, why pay Microsoft for one then moan about it when you can get so many alternatives for free?

Neil_Jones

Ibrahim5 said:

The first rule of selling software is to make sure that it will run on the hardware that people own. Microsoft have failed.

It will run on anything you like.  There is a simple workaround to get 11 installed on hradware that the upgrade check says ain't going to happen.  Of course the older the machine the less likely it becomes that it'll work anyway. 

And in any event this is an operating system, its sort of "king" because without an operating system you can't run anything else.

Ibrahim5

1GHz processor, 4gb RAM, 64GB storage. You have an OS for everybody. Insisting on TPM module changes everything. I am sure you could program so if it exists you use it. If you don't have it, it still works. They could always have a warning.

Money_Grabber13579

[Deleted User] said:

The hardware people own already have an operating system, no need to buy one. Anything newer than 5 years old on Windows 10 almost certainly runs Windows 11.

Except it doesn’t, at least not officially. I’ve two gaming desktop PCs, one is 3 years old and the other is 4 years old. Neither will update to windows 11, because the first has a 7th generation intel processor and the second has a 6th generation processor. Both satisfy all of the other requirements but aren’t officially supported, just because Microsoft has decided to abandon future support for them for completely arbitrary reasons.

[Deleted User]

Fatal error: Use Linux.

Seriously, Win 11 is way better than 10. I've never liked 10 and so carried on using Win 7. That doesn't mean my hardware is out dated.

spud17

Money_Grabber13579 said:

Deleted_User said:

The hardware people own already have an operating system, no need to buy one. Anything newer than 5 years old on Windows 10 almost certainly runs Windows 11.

Except it doesn’t, at least not officially. I’ve two gaming desktop PCs, one is 3 years old and the other is 4 years old. Neither will update to windows 11, because the first has a 7th generation intel processor and the second has a 6th generation processor. Both satisfy all of the other requirements but aren’t officially supported, just because Microsoft has decided to abandon future support for them for completely arbitrary reasons.

Just over 4 year old pc here, fully specced except i5 6500 processor.
Meanwhile 2006 Dell laptop with ssd and 2GB ram running Win 10 is adequate for surfing and email.

JustAnotherSaver

J_B said:

Ain't broke = don't fix? 

That's why I'm still on Windows 7.

MSE folk don't like that though.

Ibrahim5

OMG support for Windows 7 finished last year. Such a security risk I am amazed you are still alive.

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JustAnotherSaver said:

J_B said:

Ain't broke = don't fix? 

That's why I'm still on Windows 7.

MSE folk don't like that though.

It's not that MSE folk don't like it. This forum is for good advice and running Windows 7 in 2022 is seriously poor advice and I can't understand why anybody would want to promote that advice to people.

It is in your best interests to upgrade to a supported operating system if you value your personal and financial data, privacy and security. And that doesn't mean you need to use the latest Windows version either, there are lots of free Linux based choices that are more secure if you don't fancy that new fangled start menu on Windows 10 or 11.

There have been 639 security vulnerabilities since Windows 7 last had a security update in Jan 2020 that haven't been patched unlike the supported version of Windows.

If you think I'm just trying to scare you with big numbers, look at the WannaCry ransomware attack in 2017 and how this affected 70,000 NHS computers, mostly Windows 7.

• All the NHS organisations affected by WannaCry had not applied the latest Microsoft patches
• The NHS have professional IT services including firewalls, email filtering and malware detection beyond anything a home user would have yet they were still affected
• The ransomware infection was NOT caused by users clicking on malicious links in emails or internet browsers, just simply having the computer switched on and connected to a network was enough
• Antivirus products provided no protection against the attack

More recently in May 2021 whilst we were all consumed by pandemic news, another ransomware called Conti brought Ireland's public health system to its knees - again Windows 7 was the weak link. In this case a link was clicked on an email on the 18th March but nothing untoward happened until 2 months later when the hacker had managed to infiltrate thousands of computers and servers before executing the ransom demands.

EDIT:
And that TPM module that everyone is moaning about for Windows 11 compatibility - that in itself would have prevented the WannaCry and Conti ransomware I've mentioned above. There is a very good reason why Windows 11 needs the TPM.

EDIT2:

Ibrahim5 said:

OMG support for Windows 7 finished last year. Such a security risk I am amazed you are still alive.

Until you have been hit by ransomware or lost all of your personal data it is quite an amusing topic. Read some of the real stories of people losing precious photos of deceased loved ones through ransomware and then come back and make some jokes about it.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] said:

JustAnotherSaver said:

J_B said:

Ain't broke = don't fix? 

That's why I'm still on Windows 7.

MSE folk don't like that though.

It's not that MSE folk don't like it. This forum is for good advice and running Windows 7 in 2022 is seriously poor advice and I can't understand why anybody would want to promote that advice to people.

It is in your best interests to upgrade to a supported operating system if you value your personal and financial data, privacy and security. And that doesn't mean you need to use the latest Windows version either, there are lots of free Linux based choices that are more secure if you don't fancy that new fangled start menu on Windows 10 or 11.

There have been 639 security vulnerabilities since Windows 7 last had a security update in Jan 2020 that haven't been patched unlike the supported version of Windows.

If you think I'm just trying to scare you with big numbers, look at the WannaCry ransomware attack in 2017 and how this affected 70,000 NHS computers, mostly Windows 7.

• All the NHS organisations affected by WannaCry had not applied the latest Microsoft patches
• The NHS have professional IT services including firewalls, email filtering and malware detection beyond anything a home user would have yet they were still affected
• The ransomware infection was NOT caused by users clicking on malicious links in emails or internet browsers, just simply having the computer switched on and connected to a network was enough
• Antivirus products provided no protection against the attack

More recently in May 2021 whilst we were all consumed by pandemic news, another ransomware called Conti brought Ireland's public health system to its knees - again Windows 7 was the weak link. In this case a link was clicked on an email on the 18th March but nothing untoward happened until 2 months later when the hacker had managed to infiltrate thousands of computers and servers before executing the ransom demands.

EDIT:
And that TPM module that everyone is moaning about for Windows 11 compatibility - that in itself would have prevented the WannaCry and Conti ransomware I've mentioned above. There is a very good reason why Windows 11 needs the TPM.

EDIT2:

Ibrahim5 said:

OMG support for Windows 7 finished last year. Such a security risk I am amazed you are still alive.

Until you have been hit by ransomware or lost all of your personal data it is quite an amusing topic. Read some of the real stories of people losing precious photos of deceased loved ones through ransomware and then come back and make some jokes about it.

As long as you don't go downloading dodgy files and clicking on dodgy links you're more or less covered.