Automatic VIN based ANPR

abeezar

Looking for the automatic security barrier that does ANPR ( local - not linked to Police Database) . I have seen companies that offer Barrier solutions which is ANPR based.

However, I want to know will it detect FAKE number plates or is there a way to compare VIN ( automatically) with number plate and declare them FAKE.

https://developer-portal.driver-vehicle-licensing.api.gov.uk/apis/vehicle-enquiry-service/v1.1.0-vehicle-enquiry-service.html#vehicle-enquiry-api

We have had cases where cars with FAKE number plates have caused robberies and we want to see how best we can give them a hard time


Regards

RumRat

Most 'Fake' numbers are put on like for like cars. I doubt you having a camera with APNR facilities would help in the circumstances you describe. Best bet would to be a chat with the local crime prevention officer, if they can't help, and you still think APNR is the way to go,  then the only chance is the companies offering carpark solutions and that will come at a cost.

matelodave

As above, even if the number plate could be correlated with a VIN number (which probably isn't all that difficult nowadays) there's no easy way of physically or remotely reading the VIN number of the actual vehicle that the number plate is attached to.

Although that said, there are quite a lot of electronics in cars nowadays which might be transmitting that info into the ether if they are fitted with wifi capabilities. Look at features like remote starting or even battery monitoring which implies that the vehicle must connected to the ethernet via 4g or even bluetooth and transmitting an ID or picking up an IP address to identify it'self..

Probably the best that could be managed at the moment,  if you could identify the make, model and colour of the car which might then show an anomaly with the number plate that's fitted (ie wrong  model of car or wrong colour)but even then it doesn't identify the vin number.

abeezar

matelodave said:

As above, even if the number plate could be correlated with a VIN number (which probably isn't all that difficult nowadays) there's no easy way of physically or remotely reading the VIN number of the actual vehicle that the number plate is attached to.

Although that said, there are quite a lot of electronics in cars nowadays which might be transmitting that info into the ether if they are fitted with wifi capabilities. Look at features like remote starting or even battery monitoring which implies that the vehicle must connected to the ethernet via 4g or even bluetooth and transmitting an ID or picking up an IP address to identify it'self..

Probably the best that could be managed at the moment,  if you could identify the make, model and colour of the car which might then show an anomaly with the number plate that's fitted (ie wrong  model of car or wrong colour)but even then it doesn't identify the vin number.

This is where I had my hunch too.... nowadays with cars being smart and remote start/diagnostics. VIN must be transmitted over the AIR , so a ANPR car park system may be able to use this. VIN is a non public info - it should be decodable if not proprietary?

abeezar

RumRat said:

Most 'Fake' numbers are put on like for like cars. I doubt you having a camera with APNR facilities would help in the circumstances you describe. Best bet would to be a chat with the local crime prevention officer, if they can't help, and you still think APNR is the way to go,  then the only chance is the companies offering carpark solutions and that will come at a cost.

I agree they are likely to have similar cars and hence VIN check can expose that if such a thing exists.
we have a few houses so paying up for a managed car park solution is not an issue , it is whether we can have the desired solution. 

tafelmoneysaver

In this situation,  it seems that you are using a publicly displayed string of letters and numbers as the key to your barrier.

I would suggest that detecting a false plate is impossible.

You could swap the 'key' for a wirelessly transmitting fob, such as a key card or RFID tag. 

It goes without saying that if these are stolen, or duplicated, then someone else could use them to gain unauthorised access.

abeezar

It's only if the VIN is being broadcast in newer cars and the system able to match the vehicle details - then it would work.

RumRat

abeezar said:

RumRat said:

Most 'Fake' numbers are put on like for like cars. I doubt you having a camera with APNR facilities would help in the circumstances you describe. Best bet would to be a chat with the local crime prevention officer, if they can't help, and you still think APNR is the way to go,  then the only chance is the companies offering carpark solutions and that will come at a cost.

I agree they are likely to have similar cars and hence VIN check can expose that if such a thing exists.
we have a few houses so paying up for a managed car park solution is not an issue , it is whether we can have the desired solution. 

I have no connection with this company and I doubt it's the only one.....ANPR - Smart Parking

unforeseen

RumRat said:

abeezar said:

RumRat said:

Most 'Fake' numbers are put on like for like cars. I doubt you having a camera with APNR facilities would help in the circumstances you describe. Best bet would to be a chat with the local crime prevention officer, if they can't help, and you still think APNR is the way to go,  then the only chance is the companies offering carpark solutions and that will come at a cost.

I agree they are likely to have similar cars and hence VIN check can expose that if such a thing exists.
we have a few houses so paying up for a managed car park solution is not an issue , it is whether we can have the desired solution. 

I have no connection with this company and I doubt it's the only one.....ANPR - Smart Parking

You really do not want to hand your car park over to a PPC. 

[Deleted User]

You also need to aware of the DPA
Ie) personal info includes reg numbers 

John_Gray

You might consider the thought that the police would save a lot of time and effort if they could remotely detect (or even locally access electronically) the VIN, rather than the possibly-forged number plate. 

Additionally, it would reduce the length of "reality TV programmes", like Traffic Cops...!