Are my neighbours tree ‘surgeons’ allowed to jump the fence into my garden?

lookstraightahead

Honestly life is too short.

No one would ever manage to get maintenance done if everyone reacted in this way.

newsgroupmonkey_

980233 said:

First 2 paragraphs not required but in essence no, they were trespassing and I would have booted them off my property with force.

And yes to question 2 so you could have considered the request.

OK, I'm not getting myself a ban here,  but many "tree surgeons" are part of the travelling community and I'd have loved to see you take on 4 of them

Secondly, even if you did think you could take them on, that would therefore be criminal and the Police would indeed be interested.

What they wouldn't be interested in was trespass, which is a civil issue.

Let me know if you need to know the difference.

Andthen07

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

980233 said:

First 2 paragraphs not required but in essence no, they were trespassing and I would have booted them off my property with force.

And yes to question 2 so you could have considered the request.

OK, I'm not getting myself a ban here,  but many "tree surgeons" are part of the travelling community and I'd have loved to see you take on 4 of them

Secondly, even if you did think you could take them on, that would therefore be criminal and the Police would indeed be interested.

What they wouldn't be interested in was trespass, which is a civil issue.

Let me know if you need to know the difference.

We're back to the rogue tradespeople again with that evaluation of the tree loopers heritage. 

You do realise verbal force can be used also to remove from site?

Ditzy_Mitzy

In an ironic twist of fate, something similar happened to me the other day.  The husband of a friend of a family member turned up unannounced in the early hours, walked down the drive and banged on the kitchen window; I was standing in there making tea, wearing a dressing gown and not completely opaque nightie.  I jumped out of my skin, turned round and saw a strange male standing immediately outside, looking in.  I let out a stream of blasphemous invective, somewhat upsetting the poor gent who had only come round to deliver a Christmas present.  We parted as friends; the police were not called.  

jimbog

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

In an ironic twist of fate, something similar happened to me the other day.  The husband of a friend of a family member turned up unannounced in the early hours, walked down the drive and banged on the kitchen window; I was standing in there making tea, wearing a dressing gown and not completely opaque nightie.  I jumped out of my skin, turned round and saw a strange male standing immediately outside, looking in.  I let out a stream of blasphemous invective, somewhat upsetting the poor gent who had only come round to deliver a Christmas present.  We parted as friends; the police were not called.  

Why would you have called the police? Walking down a drive to get to the house isn't uncommon
 

Ditzy_Mitzy

jimbog said:

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

In an ironic twist of fate, something similar happened to me the other day.  The husband of a friend of a family member turned up unannounced in the early hours, walked down the drive and banged on the kitchen window; I was standing in there making tea, wearing a dressing gown and not completely opaque nightie.  I jumped out of my skin, turned round and saw a strange male standing immediately outside, looking in.  I let out a stream of blasphemous invective, somewhat upsetting the poor gent who had only come round to deliver a Christmas present.  We parted as friends; the police were not called.  

Why would you have called the police? Walking down a drive to get to the house isn't uncommon
 

My comment isn't entirely serious...

fewcloudy

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

jimbog said:

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

In an ironic twist of fate, something similar happened to me the other day.  The husband of a friend of a family member turned up unannounced in the early hours, walked down the drive and banged on the kitchen window; I was standing in there making tea, wearing a dressing gown and not completely opaque nightie.  I jumped out of my skin, turned round and saw a strange male standing immediately outside, looking in.  I let out a stream of blasphemous invective, somewhat upsetting the poor gent who had only come round to deliver a Christmas present.  We parted as friends; the police were not called.  

Why would you have called the police? Walking down a drive to get to the house isn't uncommon
 

My comment isn't entirely serious...

It’s ok, I knew that!😂

newsgroupmonkey_

Andthen07 said:

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

980233 said:

First 2 paragraphs not required but in essence no, they were trespassing and I would have booted them off my property with force.

And yes to question 2 so you could have considered the request.

OK, I'm not getting myself a ban here,  but many "tree surgeons" are part of the travelling community and I'd have loved to see you take on 4 of them

Secondly, even if you did think you could take them on, that would therefore be criminal and the Police would indeed be interested.

What they wouldn't be interested in was trespass, which is a civil issue.

Let me know if you need to know the difference.

We're back to the rogue tradespeople again with that evaluation of the tree loopers heritage. 

You do realise verbal force can be used also to remove from site?

OK, first thing here, just because people are members of the travelling community doesn't make them rogue. In fact, a few years back we had some trim some trees and they did a fine job.

And "booting people" off property appears to be using violence. My point above stands, however. What if they say no?

robatwork

There is a common law right of a landowner to first request, then use reasonable force to remove a trespasser

 “using no more force than is reasonably necessary” is the phrase. What that amounts to is subject to interpretation but does imply more than just verbal force. 

Sapindus

sheramber said:

Why would they not wear casual clothing? 

Why would they wear high viz when working in a garden?

Not directly relevant to the OP, so don't read this if you are not bothered about learning anything apart from what's directly relevant to any one thread.  But:

Tree surgery can be dangerous with large/sharp objects likely falling from a height unexpectedly.

Puffer jackets are going to get easily ripped by branches, so seems an odd choice of work clothing.

It doesn't really take four men to lop and remove branches.

High vis clothing enables you to see your work mates and not drop large/sharp objects on them from height.

Helmets should be worn to avoid injury from said objects.

Hoodies can obscure visibility so are not ideal for the same reason.

PPE should be worn at all times, not just when you think the job is going to get particularly dangerous, because the chances are you won't be bothered going and getting it from the van at that point.

I've done my IOSH Managing Safely training.  These people may or may not be cowboys, but they are BEHAVING like cowboys, which comes to much the same thing.