Are my neighbours tree ‘surgeons’ allowed to jump the fence into my garden?

canaldumidi

One to climb the fence, one to hold the tree, one to drink the tea, and one to wield the lopper?

[Deleted User]

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

Thought twice about posting this in a similar situation to the OP, child of an immigrant etc.

A few years ago, not long after the brexit vote, we started getting racist abuse. Had some kid come to our door and start screaming at us, calling us Arabs even though we aren't. I guess racists aren't good at geography. Anyway, we had all sorts of problems. At first we only reported it to the police, who sent someone round to talk to us.

The police told us to call 999 if anything like that happened again. Fortunately it seems that having the police car parked outside for a couple of hours was enough to deter any further abuse, but the police were very clear that we should not try to engage or resolve the situation ourselves, we should call them.

999 calls are recorded so if someone does start giving you racist abuse that's a useful way to record them for later prosecution. Another handy tip is that on more recent Android phones if you press the power button 5 times rapidly it goes into emergency mode which has an option to record video and sound.

Given the OP's situation and the rise in bigotry over the last 5 years, I would strongly recommend they don't risk it.

This is not even close to the OPs situation at all. No way related to this forum either.

It's highly relevant. Go back and read the OP's post, they mention that both they and their partner are non-white.

I guess you are probably white, because you didn't pick up on the clear message that was supposed to signal. The OP says they don't want to be "that neighbour", i.e. they don't want to risk complaining because of racism. This is quite a common problem for non-white people in the UK, especially in 2021.

TheJP

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

Thought twice about posting this in a similar situation to the OP, child of an immigrant etc.

A few years ago, not long after the brexit vote, we started getting racist abuse. Had some kid come to our door and start screaming at us, calling us Arabs even though we aren't. I guess racists aren't good at geography. Anyway, we had all sorts of problems. At first we only reported it to the police, who sent someone round to talk to us.

The police told us to call 999 if anything like that happened again. Fortunately it seems that having the police car parked outside for a couple of hours was enough to deter any further abuse, but the police were very clear that we should not try to engage or resolve the situation ourselves, we should call them.

999 calls are recorded so if someone does start giving you racist abuse that's a useful way to record them for later prosecution. Another handy tip is that on more recent Android phones if you press the power button 5 times rapidly it goes into emergency mode which has an option to record video and sound.

Given the OP's situation and the rise in bigotry over the last 5 years, I would strongly recommend they don't risk it.

This is not even close to the OPs situation at all. No way related to this forum either.

It's highly relevant. Go back and read the OP's post, they mention that both they and their partner are non-white.

I guess you are probably white, because you didn't pick up on the clear message that was supposed to signal. The OP says they don't want to be "that neighbour", i.e. they don't want to risk complaining because of racism. This is quite a common problem for non-white people in the UK, especially in 2021.

Your post is about racial abuse you suffered. The OPs post is about working professionals on her property, there was no racial abuse by those people that were in her garden. There you go not related in anyway.

Yes im white but im also from Ireland living in England ive had a fair share of abuse for where im from.

gettingtheresometime

how high is the fence & do they qualify to be part of the UK olympic team?

jimbog

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

Thought twice about posting this in a similar situation to the OP, child of an immigrant etc.

A few years ago, not long after the brexit vote, we started getting racist abuse. Had some kid come to our door and start screaming at us, calling us Arabs even though we aren't. I guess racists aren't good at geography. Anyway, we had all sorts of problems. At first we only reported it to the police, who sent someone round to talk to us.

The police told us to call 999 if anything like that happened again. Fortunately it seems that having the police car parked outside for a couple of hours was enough to deter any further abuse, but the police were very clear that we should not try to engage or resolve the situation ourselves, we should call them.

999 calls are recorded so if someone does start giving you racist abuse that's a useful way to record them for later prosecution. Another handy tip is that on more recent Android phones if you press the power button 5 times rapidly it goes into emergency mode which has an option to record video and sound.

Given the OP's situation and the rise in bigotry over the last 5 years, I would strongly recommend they don't risk it.

This is not even close to the OPs situation at all. No way related to this forum either.

It's highly relevant. Go back and read the OP's post, they mention that both they and their partner are non-white.

I guess you are probably white, because you didn't pick up on the clear message that was supposed to signal. The OP says they don't want to be "that neighbour", i.e. they don't want to risk complaining because of racism. This is quite a common problem for non-white people in the UK, especially in 2021.

The OPs post is about working professionals on her property, 

You must have missed the part about there being four of them with one lopper between them in their Sports Direct attire 

Thrugelmir

Was the tree posing a danger to either yours or the neighbours property? That would be my primary concern. Life is too short to spend worrying about something that has been and gone, and is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon. 

TheJP

jimbog said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

TheJP said:

[Deleted User] said:

Thought twice about posting this in a similar situation to the OP, child of an immigrant etc.

A few years ago, not long after the brexit vote, we started getting racist abuse. Had some kid come to our door and start screaming at us, calling us Arabs even though we aren't. I guess racists aren't good at geography. Anyway, we had all sorts of problems. At first we only reported it to the police, who sent someone round to talk to us.

The police told us to call 999 if anything like that happened again. Fortunately it seems that having the police car parked outside for a couple of hours was enough to deter any further abuse, but the police were very clear that we should not try to engage or resolve the situation ourselves, we should call them.

999 calls are recorded so if someone does start giving you racist abuse that's a useful way to record them for later prosecution. Another handy tip is that on more recent Android phones if you press the power button 5 times rapidly it goes into emergency mode which has an option to record video and sound.

Given the OP's situation and the rise in bigotry over the last 5 years, I would strongly recommend they don't risk it.

This is not even close to the OPs situation at all. No way related to this forum either.

It's highly relevant. Go back and read the OP's post, they mention that both they and their partner are non-white.

I guess you are probably white, because you didn't pick up on the clear message that was supposed to signal. The OP says they don't want to be "that neighbour", i.e. they don't want to risk complaining because of racism. This is quite a common problem for non-white people in the UK, especially in 2021.

The OPs post is about working professionals on her property, 

You must have missed the part about there being four of them with one lopper between them in their Sports Direct attire 

Plenty of trade professionals wear comfortable clothing especially in winter. I am pretty sure reputable brands also manufacture black hoodies. The clothing isn't the case here, its the over-reaction after clarification and then someone bringing racial divide into the mix which is clearly not the case here.

MalMonroe

Basically your neighbours and/or their workers HAVE trespassed. And it would have been FAR better if they could have just displayed some common courtesy and asked you beforehand if you minded and told you that the workers would be as quick and unobtrusive as possible. Also if they had given you a time. Because, as you say, you want to be able to walk about in your home without fear of being watched. (Not that I'm saying the workers were watching but yes, looking up and seeing four men dressed in black in what should be your private garden must have been a shock.)

However, your neighbours don't appear to have any manners and that's a shame. That's the part that would make me angry. The fact that they couldn't just pop around to ask. Or push a note through the door to ask you to phone them if they didn't want to come personally.

But anyway, if I have new neighbours I like to just go and introduce myself to them when they move in. That's something your neighbours could have done. 

I don't think it's a big deal and I would have said it was fine because well, it's just good neighbour relations. But it's the assumption that's the annoying thing - it would have been nice to be asked. The workmen knocking on the door about five minutes before starting is not enough notice.

I'd have to have a word with my neighbours, politely - just to ask them if they would please let me know if they want to come into my garden to do anything else at any other time. 

Your race, class and nationality have nothing to do with anything. Your neighbours are just rude.

BikingBud

Wow there are some bizarre answers within the 11 pages here. Some jumping to extreme conclusions about not only the neighbours but also the tradesmen they employed.

• OP didn't answer door.
• Workmen went into garden to cut trees. 
  
• Job jobbed.

Anything else is just surmising.

• The OP hadn't even met the neighbours!
• It seems that they still haven't!
• The same as they appear not to have been so worried to respond to this thread!

Perhaps Christmas has been too quiet for some  

TheJP

MalMonroe said:

Basically your neighbours and/or their workers HAVE trespassed. And it would have been FAR better if they could have just displayed some common courtesy and asked you beforehand if you minded and told you that the workers would be as quick and unobtrusive as possible. Also if they had given you a time. Because, as you say, you want to be able to walk about in your home without fear of being watched. (Not that I'm saying the workers were watching but yes, looking up and seeing four men dressed in black in what should be your private garden must have been a shock.)

However, your neighbours don't appear to have any manners and that's a shame. That's the part that would make me angry. The fact that they couldn't just pop around to ask. Or push a note through the door to ask you to phone them if they didn't want to come personally.

But anyway, if I have new neighbours I like to just go and introduce myself to them when they move in. That's something your neighbours could have done. 

I don't think it's a big deal and I would have said it was fine because well, it's just good neighbour relations. But it's the assumption that's the annoying thing - it would have been nice to be asked. The workmen knocking on the door about five minutes before starting is not enough notice.

I'd have to have a word with my neighbours, politely - just to ask them if they would please let me know if they want to come into my garden to do anything else at any other time. 

Your race, class and nationality have nothing to do with anything. Your neighbours are just rude.

Your assuming the neighbours had known the workmen would need to go into the OPs garden, the workmen did knock on to let the OP know but OP didn't/couldn't answer the door. They may only have known they needed access 5 minutes before they knocked on. @bikingbud sums it up best.