Not stopping PCN for 24-second stop

GYMarshy

Morning,
Might be too late with this, but would be grateful of any advice. I've been issued a PCN for 'no stopping' on a private road. I've appealed to UKCPS and it's been rejected. In doing so I think I probably indicated that I was driving the vehicle (you submit the appeal through a web form and it does not give you a copy of what you entered).

I'd pulled over after my tyre warning lights had come on. The entrance to a car dealer's overflow stock car park was the first place I could do this safely. I stopped briefly to check all 4 tyres were OK before pulling away again. The engine was running (I believe this is OK if you're "diagnosing faults"). The sequence of images show that I was there for no more than 30 seconds.

Having revisited the site there is signage (albeit most of it is in small print - not standard 'no stopping' roadsigns), and clearly there are double yellows - given the circumstances do I have a case or am I bang to rights?.

I think the charge is in place to stop users of a nearby McDonalds from parking there - so am a bit miffed that I've been stung for this.

Thanks,

"Driver"

Herzlos

You should re-post this in the parking sub-forum, but basically you shouldn't have to pay.

It's a contractual invoice, but you can't be invoiced for doing something you're contractually not allowed to do (because that's a penalty), and various other parts of the process will be missing. You also need to be given time to read any signage and I doubt 24 seconds would be ample.
Your first step is an appeal, with wording provided in the parking forum.


https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/categories/parking-tickets-fines-parking

user1977

Double yellows don't mean "no stopping" anyway, so I doubt they're relevant. 

Grey_Critic

I assume the photo is the position you stopped. If so you are still on the public highway albeit obstructing their entrance. Several years ago I raised a complaint with the council due to the condition of a similar entrance. The council inspected and agreed it was not our responsibility - I can see there is what apprears to be a footath so again a public highway.  The parking restriction (in my opinion anyway) apply once you go through the gate. In an emergency it is reasonable to pull into the position of the car shown to avoid obstructing the highway.

KeithP

@Grey_Critic, it is private land. Have a look at the OP's thread on the parking board.

Grey_Critic

KeithP said:

@Grey_Critic, it is private land. Have a look at the OP's thread on the parking board.

Not denying the compound is private but the section where the vehicle is parked is public.

KeithP

Grey_Critic said:

KeithP said:

@Grey_Critic, it is private land. Have a look at the OP's thread on the parking board.

Not denying the compound is private but the section where the vehicle is parked is public.

No, the whole of that road is private property.
Although the public have access, it is not a highway maintained at the public's expense.

Grey_Critic

**No, the whole of that road is private property.

Although the public have access, it is not a highway maintained at the public's expense.**

Sorry - did not relise that.

Car_54

user1977 said:

Double yellows don't mean "no stopping" anyway, so I doubt they're relevant. 

Yes, they mean "no waiting", which the OP was. Not that it matters if it was indeed a private road.

The Op also left the vehicle with the engine running, which is an offence whether or not the road was private.