MOT issue Kia Picanto

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facade said:

Deleted_User said:

Long established well trusted garages have more than enough business without making up MOT fails unlike places like Kwikfit.

Despite what people think, no-one makes up passes or fails.

Whatever VOSA are called today have an algorithm that compares the number of passes, fails & advisories to national & regional averages, and if they consistently stick out as too harsh, or too lenient then they get "looked at" (and no-one wants to be "looked at")

Where you can get more fails is when a particular tester doesn't like play in a joint, the fail criteria is "excessive" but "excessive" isn't defined except in the mind of the tester. Things that are yes/no decisions have to be done right, as you could be the Mystery Shopper and your car a VOSA plant.

Of course places like Kwikfit make up fails. They failed my sister's car once for 4 different items. Took it to another garage and it only failed on one of the 4 items Kwikfit failed it on. The car then went on to pass a further 2 MOTs before she traded it in.

Another Kwikfit branch was going to fail my car on emissions unless I paid up for a £20 can of BG44K then refused to give me a copy of the emissions print out.

Never trust Kwikfit.

Nobbie1967

Maybe the new pads weren’t bedded in when you took it for the re-test. Sometimes it takes a few applications of the brakes to get to optimum braking from the handbrake as the force you can apply is much less than via the brake pedal.

flashg67

Sounds odd to me that a Picanto needed caliper and pads for a handbrake issue? I'd have thought it would be drums on the back (my last two Kia Rios were).

I agree with Nobbie  - we once fitted discs/pads all round on a transit that had already failed on brake wear. It went on to fail again until it had had some bedding in 'repairs' done...

jimjames

facade said:

Deleted_User said:

Long established well trusted garages have more than enough business without making up MOT fails unlike places like Kwikfit.

Where you can get more fails is when a particular tester doesn't like play in a joint, the fail criteria is "excessive" but "excessive" isn't defined except in the mind of the tester. Things that are yes/no decisions have to be done right, as you could be the Mystery Shopper and your car a VOSA plant.

Although if you are a regular at a garage then they know you aren't a VOSA plant and can deal with the MOT on that basis and not fail it for spurious reasons.

ian16527

flashg67 said:

Sounds odd to me that a Picanto needed caliper and pads for a handbrake issue? I'd have thought it would be drums on the back (my last two Kia Rios were).

I agree with Nobbie  - we once fitted discs/pads all round on a transit that had already failed on brake wear. It went on to fail again until it had had some bedding in 'repairs' done...

I think the Kia has a strange handbrake set up with brake shoes and pads for normal braking but I could be wrong

facade

ian16527 said:

flashg67 said:

Sounds odd to me that a Picanto needed caliper and pads for a handbrake issue? I'd have thought it would be drums on the back (my last two Kia Rios were).

I agree with Nobbie  - we once fitted discs/pads all round on a transit that had already failed on brake wear. It went on to fail again until it had had some bedding in 'repairs' done...

I think the Kia has a strange handbrake set up with brake shoes and pads for normal braking but I could be wrong

A picanto has discs on the back, the handbrake pulls a lever on the calliper, and it uses the same pads as the footbrake. The pads tend to rust and seize pretty solid in the guides, so unless you are Superman, you can't pull the handbrake hard enough to apply them, only stretch the cable.

Wheter it needs a complete calliper or just cleaning and new pads depends on what is revealed when the garage starts work, it might be cheaper to just fit a new calliper than spend half an hour cleaning up the original.

sevenhills

kuepper said:

My Kia Picanto failed MOT at kwikfit because of handbrake inefficiency and I took car to a local garage who said new caliper and pads were needed so I told the to get on with it. Paid just under £250 for the work then took car back to kwikfit for a re-test and it failed again for same reason.

I know people like to slag off Kwikfit, but the smaller garage made £250 and they didn't fix the fault.

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sevenhills said:

kuepper said:

My Kia Picanto failed MOT at kwikfit because of handbrake inefficiency and I took car to a local garage who said new caliper and pads were needed so I told the to get on with it. Paid just under £250 for the work then took car back to kwikfit for a re-test and it failed again for same reason.

I know people like to slag off Kwikfit, but the smaller garage made £250 and they didn't fix the fault.

Plenty dodgy garages about too. OP obviously didn't choose wisely.

Jumblebumble

Deleted_User said:

sevenhills said:

kuepper said:

My Kia Picanto failed MOT at kwikfit because of handbrake inefficiency and I took car to a local garage who said new caliper and pads were needed so I told the to get on with it. Paid just under £250 for the work then took car back to kwikfit for a re-test and it failed again for same reason.

I know people like to slag off Kwikfit, but the smaller garage made £250 and they didn't fix the fault.

Plenty dodgy garages about too. OP obviously didn't choose wisely.

Do you understand that the OP took the car back to a different MOT station who passed the car ?
How does that equate to the garage being dodgy or not fixing the fault?
How do you know Kwikfits brake rollers are working properly?
How do you know the Kwikfit tester is not an imbecele who uses an assistant who does not pull the handbrake lever up hard enough ?