EPC F or G rating - How can a tenant get their landlord to improve the rating?

justwhat

lookstraightahead said:

justwhat said:

Section62 said:

justwhat said:

Rebuild with modern materials. 

What would you deem not to be 'modern materials' which might possibly be found in these older buildings - so making them in need of demolition?

Clay bricks?

Mortar?

Clay tiles?

Glass?

Wood/Timber?

Copper and Iron(/Steel)?

.....if you visit a new-build housing estate under construction you might be in for a bit of a surprise.

new builds don't have 3ft thick walls or rubble walls ...unsure were you are coming from

I don't get your point at all. Or are you getting your centuries mixed up? 

Was not going to go through the various building methods or materials used in the last 200 years.  Sometimes far easier to just flatten a building and start again.

Section62

justwhat said:

Sometimes far easier to just flatten a building and start again.

I guess so.... for those playing with Lego maybe.

lookstraightahead

justwhat said:

lookstraightahead said:

justwhat said:

Section62 said:

justwhat said:

Rebuild with modern materials. 

What would you deem not to be 'modern materials' which might possibly be found in these older buildings - so making them in need of demolition?

Clay bricks?

Mortar?

Clay tiles?

Glass?

Wood/Timber?

Copper and Iron(/Steel)?

.....if you visit a new-build housing estate under construction you might be in for a bit of a surprise.

new builds don't have 3ft thick walls or rubble walls ...unsure were you are coming from

I don't get your point at all. Or are you getting your centuries mixed up? 

Was not going to go through the various building methods or materials used in the last 200 years.  Sometimes far easier to just flatten a building and start again.

Right ok then, great idea 👍👍 

justwhat

Section62 said:

justwhat said:

Sometimes far easier to just flatten a building and start again.

I guess so.... for those playing with Lego maybe.

loads of old buildings are demolished and flats built in there place. 

Section62

justwhat said:

Section62 said:

justwhat said:

Sometimes far easier to just flatten a building and start again.

I guess so.... for those playing with Lego maybe.

loads of old buildings are demolished and flats built in there place. 

True. Although usually because it makes economic sense to demolish the existing buildings because they are not capable of being converted into sufficient numbers of new homes to make the project viable.

Perhaps when advocating demolishing all these 'old' buildings you might have a little more respect and empathy with people like the OP (of this thread) who are living in 'old' buildings which have been repurposed as homes.

If you were talking face-to-face with the OP would you be telling them their home should be "flatten[ed]" because you think that only buildings with "modern materials" should exist?

Real people don't live in LEGO houses, so just flattening them and starting again doesn't matter too much. And the embodied energy loss is minimal.

In the grown-up world houses and buildings are homes for real people.  Who have feelings and memories.  Worth thinking about?

lookstraightahead

Op, what about the other owners / tenants around you? Have you spoken to them? 

If the landlady won't do anything, could you consider moving 

Section62

lookstraightahead said:

justwhat said:

Was not going to go through the various building methods or materials used in the last 200 years.  Sometimes far easier to just flatten a building and start again.

Right ok then, great idea 👍👍 

It sounds just as "great" as John Prescott's 'Pathfinder' plan....

....spend shed loads of money demolishing houses, then realise how much it costs to build replacements, and find you've already spent your whole budget just making piles of rubble.

Oops.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2004/aug/22/politics.communities

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/nov/09/comment.housing

justwhat

Section62 said:

In the grown-up world houses and buildings are homes for real people.  Who have feelings and memories.  Worth thinking about?

i never said evict all people in old houses and flatten them. However an owner may decide that is the best option. (seem to have gone way off topic so ill leave it now..)

ProDave

What we need is well insulated, air tight, properly (heat recovery) ventilated low energy houses.  That is the only way we will ever get to net zero.  What we need is houses like the one I have just finished self building that achieved an as built EPC of A94 and does indeed have very low heating costs.

A great many of the UK's existing houses will never get close to that even with a lot of effort.

Sadly, I don't have much confidence that the mass house builders that we have are ever going to achieve this.  It seems all they want to do is build as cheap as possible to a standard that will just scrape through the bare minimum to pass building regulations.  It is very sad that I believe myself, as a self builder, can with care and attention build a much better house than most house building firms, and not for very much extra cost.