Letter from Management Company about Implementing Parking Restrictions

Coupon-mad

Anyway, today we get a letter from the management company saying there have been lots of complaints about parking and wanted our opinions on a parking enforcement scheme for the managed areas of the estate. 

Obviously you must all refuse. Residents need an emergency meeting to nip this horrific idea in the bud before it starts.

Please do hop over to the parking tickets sub-board.  We cover this all the time.

robatwork

Noneforit999 said:

Thanks for the replies thus far, to answer the question from robatwork, I have no idea if they are private or adopted. Is there somewhere I can find out?

Where are you in the country ie. who is your local authority?

If you don't want to say you can google it. For example

Adopted roads (cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk)  but every council has a different scheme and some don't have any easy way to check online.

peterhjohnson

nicestrawb said:

At the end of the day, the problem is too many cars and not enough space and screwing people for money is not going to fix that, and they know damn well it won't.

It works brilliantly ... for whoever gets to sell permits, collect fines, etc :-)

Half_way

These will not be fines, but invoices.

 unfortunately these parking companies can be incredibly aggressive - see the parking tickets forum for more, also here:

 https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/search?query=own space&page=2&scope=site&Search=own space

These parking companies must be kept well clear - key words are:

 unreasonable to impose  and unregulated parking company ( neither the British Parking Association or the IPC are regulatory authorities, and neither offer anything you could call an independent appeals service ( even if one calls it that its self)

NameUnavailable

The problem with most new estates is lack of parking. One allocated space per property and a few visitor spaces, then narrow roads with no real space for 'casual' parking.

I know we are all meant to be walking and cycling everywhere or using public transport but the reality is that a lot of households have 2 or more vehicles.

I would take the line suggested above and highlight the fact that it will push people to park their cars on surrounding roads - alert the council and leaflet houses in the likely roads to be affected! Nothing gets people frothing at the mouth like parking wars!

Noneforit999

Thanks all, I will check with the local authority to see if any roads are adopted as presumably the management company cannot restrict parking on those?

I have just printed a letter which I plan to stick in the letterbox of every house on the development detailing why I think its a bad idea and asking everyone to respond to the management company to voice their opinions.

My theory is that those who are for the enforcement are more likely to respond but those against it may just not bother so it could go through on a majority wins if few actually bother to reply.

Waiting to hear back regarding specifics of the restrictions but my concerns are thus:

1. Giving the management company additional powers not a route you can easily come back from.
2. Its going to be farmed out to a 3rd party company, imagine trying to appeal a ticket because your grand parents parked someone they were not allowed!
3. We pay an ever increasing ground rent for the estate each so the scheme is going to add to those costs, hardly like the management company are footing the bill
4. You can't get rid of the existing cars, if 40-50 park on the road around the estate most of them clearly live there so where are those cars going to go?
5. I would assume visitors are meant to go in the designated visitor bays but its going to take a lot of policing for this, constant patrols which is going to cost loads.
6. Its going to be harder to sell in future, I would avoid an estate where there are strict parking restrictions.

Thanks

Jenni_D

Noneforit999 said:

My theory is that those who are for the enforcement are more likely to respond but those against it may just not bother so it could go through on a majority wins if few actually bother to reply.

Please see my previous reply ... I'd be surprised if the Landlord and Tenants Act didn't apply in your case, and there are prescriptive requirements - one of which (I believe) is that it is not just a simple majority of votes that matter but that 75% of those eligible to vote must support the proposal.

I agree with all your points*, and point 6 is the clincher ... make sure your notice makes it clear to the other property owners that their properties are likely to be devalued if such a scheme is introduced.

* Except point 5 ... the cost for the parking scheme will be low, or even free. The PPC makes their money from issuing PCNs - and the largest source of such income is from residents who already have a right to park.

Half_way

If I was living on that estate I would prefer to take my chances with partying add it is now, presumably on a first come first get basis , than to have an aggressive third party parking company in the area.

Another thing to note is that some of these schemes operate something called self ticketing, this is where a "volunteer" usally a resident tickets cars in return for a bonus.
 the private parking world is extremely  murky and should be kept well clear

Le_Kirk

Jenni_D said:

Noneforit999 said:

My theory is that those who are for the enforcement are more likely to respond but those against it may just not bother so it could go through on a majority wins if few actually bother to reply.

Please see my previous reply ... I'd be surprised if the Landlord and Tenants Act didn't apply in your case, and there are prescriptive requirements - one of which (I believe) is that it is not just a simple majority of votes that matter but that 75% of those eligible to vote must support the proposal.

I agree with all your points*, and point 6 is the clincher ... make sure your notice makes it clear to the other property owners that their properties are likely to be devalued if such a scheme is introduced.

* Except point 5 ... the cost for the parking scheme will be low, or even free. The PPC makes their money from issuing PCNs - and the largest source of such income is from residents who already have a right to park.

Jenni_D makes a valid point; to follow on from that, there must also be NOT more than 10% against!  You abso bloomin lutely  do not want parking vultures on your estate.

Noneforit999

Jenni_D said:

Noneforit999 said:

My theory is that those who are for the enforcement are more likely to respond but those against it may just not bother so it could go through on a majority wins if few actually bother to reply.

Please see my previous reply ... I'd be surprised if the Landlord and Tenants Act didn't apply in your case, and there are prescriptive requirements - one of which (I believe) is that it is not just a simple majority of votes that matter but that 75% of those eligible to vote must support the proposal.

I agree with all your points*, and point 6 is the clincher ... make sure your notice makes it clear to the other property owners that their properties are likely to be devalued if such a scheme is introduced.

* Except point 5 ... the cost for the parking scheme will be low, or even free. The PPC makes their money from issuing PCNs - and the largest source of such income is from residents who already have a right to park.

Hi Jenni

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I guess I would need to find a solicitor who deals with stuff like this if they did decide to move ahead with this? I need to have a proper read of the documentation on the house to find out what the restrictions were, I guess they may have worded this to allow them to do parking enforcement in future.