Minster Baywatch / ANPR claim form received

KeithP

Does that letter match with the description in item 7 on that list you were following when you filed your Defence?

Here it is again...

Prepare yourself for the next event by reading more of that list.

w12ee3e

KeithP said:

Does that letter match with the description in item 7 on that list you were following when you filed your Defence?

Here it is again...

Prepare yourself for the next event by reading more of that list.

But apparently they want to 'mediate'....?

Wonder what that entails.

KeithP

w12ee3e said:

KeithP said:

Does that letter match with the description in item 7 on that list you were following when you filed your Defence?

Here it is again...

Prepare yourself for the next event by reading more of that list.

But apparently they want to 'mediate'....?

Wonder what that entails.

They actually say "Should you agree to mediation, please inform the court...".

Having read Bargepole's 'what happens when' post linked from the NEWBIES thread you will know that mediation is not appropriate.

Redx

Looks like you are not reading the advice by coupon mad or Bargepole that I Pointed you back towards in my previous reply

Everybody gets that letter along with the claimants DQ , everyone

It means nothing , it's a template they send to everyone , they don't suddenly think , oh let's mediate !!

Bargepole warned against it about 4 or 5 years ago

To us , it's predictable and very boring , because we have seen it thousands of times

Coupon-mad

The Newbies thread covers the whole process.

w12ee3e

SAR success!

Here's a copy of my NTK (heavily redacted) Any further thoughts?

Redx

So an NTH , Notice to Hirer , I assume that no hire contract came with it ? So it failed POFA

But POFA won't help you if you are the driver , if asked in court

POFA assists a keeper or hirer who was NOT the driver !! 🤔🤔🤔

w12ee3e

Redx said:

So an NTH , Notice to Hirer , I assume that no hire contract cane with it ? So it failed POFA

But POFA won't help you if you are the driver , if asked in court

POFA assists a keeper or hirer who was NOT the driver !! 🤔🤔🤔

Ah interesting, I'm not sure if I understand you 100% but no the vehicle is not a hire vehicle. But on the NTK it states Notice to Keeper Or Hire Company. Are they not allowed to do that if I understood you correctly?

Umkomaas

Showing us the dates on the NtK is essential to confirm whether there is any possibility of keeper liability under PoFA. Otherwise, the NtK is rather neither here nor there.

Redx

w12ee3e said:

Redx said:

So an NTH , Notice to Hirer , I assume that no hire contract cane with it ? So it failed POFA

But POFA won't help you if you are the driver , if asked in court

POFA assists a keeper or hirer who was NOT the driver !! 🤔🤔🤔

Ah interesting, I'm not sure if I understand you 100% but no the vehicle is not a hire vehicle. But on the NTK it states Notice to Keeper Or Hire Company. Are they not allowed to do that if I understood you correctly?

They word it how they see fit , if you are not a hirer or lessee then ignore my point about the hire document , perhaps you should have given more background information when you posted it

Plus you over redacted the picture so pointless posting it !!

However , my point is still the same

Either they did comply with POFA and so can try to enforce against the keeper

Or

The driver was or can be revealed and is possibly liable , with POFA a dead duck

So the claimant has to prove their case against the correct entity

A keeper who was also the driver could find that driver liability and also keeper liability apply jointly

So now you can study the SAR reply , what is your take on it. ? Does it assist you ? Or does it show liability ?

It's your job to determine this aspect for any private PCN , from day one