Section 75 cover of cancelled flights or hotel bookings due to COVID restrictions

84Reason

emmajones1976 said:

S75 is not a silver bullet.

It is not the fault of the Air BnB if government restrictions stop you flying to get to it.
It is not the fault of the airlines if government restrictions stop you using their flights.

As already said, book a package. Self catering packages exist.

Thanks, not looking to pass blame onto any companies, merely asking a question. In addition to this, I don't agree with you at all, each company is providing a service and regardless of why they cannot provide the service, they have not provided the service, therefore compensation should be provided. This is besides the point however as they either are or they aren't and I'm simply looking for the best way to protect myself. 

zagfles

If you book accomodation which is cancellable with refund up to 5 days before, then it should be cancellable for any reason. Whether covid, illness, or simply you changing your mind. As opposed to an insurance policy which covers cancellation, which will only let you cancel for specific reasons which they will list.

Easyjet have a pledge but only up to the end of this year it seems https://www.easyjet.com/en/pledge

Personally, unless you're going somewhere which is likely to be peak season in May, I'd leave booking till nearer the time.

emmajones1976

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

S75 is not a silver bullet.

It is not the fault of the Air BnB if government restrictions stop you flying to get to it.
It is not the fault of the airlines if government restrictions stop you using their flights.

As already said, book a package. Self catering packages exist.

Thanks, not looking to pass blame onto any companies, merely asking a question. In addition to this, I don't agree with you at all, each company is providing a service and regardless of why they cannot provide the service, they have not provided the service, therefore compensation should be provided. This is besides the point however as they either are or they aren't and I'm simply looking for the best way to protect myself. 

That is not true in the slightest. If a government restriction stops you flying to (e.g.) Spain, and the AirBnB is sat there open and able to be used, then that is NOT something you can use a S75 for. It is open and available, the fact you cant get there is absolutely irrelevant to the accommodation owner.

This is why it has been suggested to you to book a package, I would go further than that and book a package with a reputable company that operates its own aircraft. Jet2/Tui will not fly to locations that require quarantine stays, and will cancel packages full stop if flights are not allowed to go at all.

84Reason

emmajones1976 said:

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

S75 is not a silver bullet.

It is not the fault of the Air BnB if government restrictions stop you flying to get to it.
It is not the fault of the airlines if government restrictions stop you using their flights.

As already said, book a package. Self catering packages exist.

Thanks, not looking to pass blame onto any companies, merely asking a question. In addition to this, I don't agree with you at all, each company is providing a service and regardless of why they cannot provide the service, they have not provided the service, therefore compensation should be provided. This is besides the point however as they either are or they aren't and I'm simply looking for the best way to protect myself. 

That is not true in the slightest. If a government restriction stops you flying to (e.g.) Spain, and the AirBnB is sat there open and able to be used, then that is NOT something you can use a S75 for. It is open and available, the fact you cant get there is absolutely irrelevant to the accommodation owner.

This is why it has been suggested to you to book a package. Jet2/Tui will not fly to locations that require quarantine stays, and will cancel packages full stop if flights are not allowed to go at all.

I was not disbuting the validity of the S75, I agree with your reply. I however don't agree with your statement that it is not their fault. No one is blaming them however the service simply cannot be used. You also have not considered the situation where Croatia itself is under lockdown, therefore meaning the actual place is not able to be used, however companies would still not provide refund in these situations according to your logic. 

emmajones1976

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

S75 is not a silver bullet.

It is not the fault of the Air BnB if government restrictions stop you flying to get to it.
It is not the fault of the airlines if government restrictions stop you using their flights.

As already said, book a package. Self catering packages exist.

Thanks, not looking to pass blame onto any companies, merely asking a question. In addition to this, I don't agree with you at all, each company is providing a service and regardless of why they cannot provide the service, they have not provided the service, therefore compensation should be provided. This is besides the point however as they either are or they aren't and I'm simply looking for the best way to protect myself. 

That is not true in the slightest. If a government restriction stops you flying to (e.g.) Spain, and the AirBnB is sat there open and able to be used, then that is NOT something you can use a S75 for. It is open and available, the fact you cant get there is absolutely irrelevant to the accommodation owner.

This is why it has been suggested to you to book a package. Jet2/Tui will not fly to locations that require quarantine stays, and will cancel packages full stop if flights are not allowed to go at all.

I was not disbuting the validity of the S75, I agree with your reply. I however don't agree with your statement that it is not their fault. No one is blaming them however the service simply cannot be used. You also have not considered the situation where Croatia itself is under lockdown, therefore meaning the actual place is not able to be used, however companies would still not provide refund in these situations according to your logic. 

Indeed, but S75 is not a remedy to this and it would rightfully be rejected.

In  your latter example, this is different as the accommodation is clearly not allowed to be open, a S75 would be successful in this example if they failed to refund you.

I still think you should book a package though.

84Reason

zagfles said:

If you book accomodation which is cancellable with refund up to 5 days before, then it should be cancellable for any reason. Whether covid, illness, or simply you changing your mind. As opposed to an insurance policy which covers cancellation, which will only let you cancel for specific reasons which they will list.

Easyjet have a pledge but only up to the end of this year it seems https://www.easyjet.com/en/pledge

Personally, unless you're going somewhere which is likely to be peak season in May, I'd leave booking till nearer the time.

Yes I think you are right, based on what I'm being told. Thank you for the note about easyjet's pledge, I missed that. This may be something we consider also, which could cause issues with apartments already being booked by others, but this is something we will have to risk as it is less risk than the other option. 

84Reason

emmajones1976 said:

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

S75 is not a silver bullet.

It is not the fault of the Air BnB if government restrictions stop you flying to get to it.
It is not the fault of the airlines if government restrictions stop you using their flights.

As already said, book a package. Self catering packages exist.

Thanks, not looking to pass blame onto any companies, merely asking a question. In addition to this, I don't agree with you at all, each company is providing a service and regardless of why they cannot provide the service, they have not provided the service, therefore compensation should be provided. This is besides the point however as they either are or they aren't and I'm simply looking for the best way to protect myself. 

That is not true in the slightest. If a government restriction stops you flying to (e.g.) Spain, and the AirBnB is sat there open and able to be used, then that is NOT something you can use a S75 for. It is open and available, the fact you cant get there is absolutely irrelevant to the accommodation owner.

This is why it has been suggested to you to book a package. Jet2/Tui will not fly to locations that require quarantine stays, and will cancel packages full stop if flights are not allowed to go at all.

I was not disbuting the validity of the S75, I agree with your reply. I however don't agree with your statement that it is not their fault. No one is blaming them however the service simply cannot be used. You also have not considered the situation where Croatia itself is under lockdown, therefore meaning the actual place is not able to be used, however companies would still not provide refund in these situations according to your logic. 

Indeed, but S75 is not a remedy to this and it would rightfully be rejected.

In  your latter example, this is different as the accommodation is clearly not allowed to be open, a S75 would be successful in this example if they failed to refund you.

I still think you should book a package though.

Easier said than done, already looked at a few locations with package holidays that are self catering and the location is miles away from where we want to be. There are comprimises & risks everywhere it seems. 

zagfles

emmajones1976 said:

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

S75 is not a silver bullet.

It is not the fault of the Air BnB if government restrictions stop you flying to get to it.
It is not the fault of the airlines if government restrictions stop you using their flights.

As already said, book a package. Self catering packages exist.

Thanks, not looking to pass blame onto any companies, merely asking a question. In addition to this, I don't agree with you at all, each company is providing a service and regardless of why they cannot provide the service, they have not provided the service, therefore compensation should be provided. This is besides the point however as they either are or they aren't and I'm simply looking for the best way to protect myself. 

That is not true in the slightest. If a government restriction stops you flying to (e.g.) Spain, and the AirBnB is sat there open and able to be used, then that is NOT something you can use a S75 for. It is open and available, the fact you cant get there is absolutely irrelevant to the accommodation owner.

This is why it has been suggested to you to book a package, I would go further than that and book a package with a reputable company that operates its own aircraft. Jet2/Tui will not fly to locations that require quarantine stays, and will cancel packages full stop if flights are not allowed to go at all.

Or just book cancellable accomodation & flights. Easyjet might extend their "pledge" so may be worth waiting a bit.

Booking a package is all very well, but if say travel was allowed but restrictions at the destination made it not worth going (for instance pubs/restaurants closed, pools closed, masks required on the beach, attractions closed etc) then the package holiday company could argue they've provided the holiday, the fact you can't enjoy it isn't their problem.

emmajones1976

If all that happened then the hotel would likely be shut too, and they would cancel the whole thing.

84Reason

zagfles said:

emmajones1976 said:

84Reason said:

emmajones1976 said:

S75 is not a silver bullet.

It is not the fault of the Air BnB if government restrictions stop you flying to get to it.
It is not the fault of the airlines if government restrictions stop you using their flights.

As already said, book a package. Self catering packages exist.

Thanks, not looking to pass blame onto any companies, merely asking a question. In addition to this, I don't agree with you at all, each company is providing a service and regardless of why they cannot provide the service, they have not provided the service, therefore compensation should be provided. This is besides the point however as they either are or they aren't and I'm simply looking for the best way to protect myself. 

That is not true in the slightest. If a government restriction stops you flying to (e.g.) Spain, and the AirBnB is sat there open and able to be used, then that is NOT something you can use a S75 for. It is open and available, the fact you cant get there is absolutely irrelevant to the accommodation owner.

This is why it has been suggested to you to book a package, I would go further than that and book a package with a reputable company that operates its own aircraft. Jet2/Tui will not fly to locations that require quarantine stays, and will cancel packages full stop if flights are not allowed to go at all.

Or just book cancellable accomodation & flights. Easyjet might extend their "pledge" so may be worth waiting a bit.

Booking a package is all very well, but if say travel was allowed but restrictions at the destination made it not worth going (for instance pubs/restaurants closed, pools closed, masks required on the beach, attractions closed etc) then the package holiday company could argue they've provided the holiday, the fact you can't enjoy it isn't their problem.

Exactly this, so far we have airbnb cancellation if needed until 5 days beforehand which should cover any issues. Just need to see if easyjet update their pledge or if perhaps BA have a similar one that's already extended.