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See, there is absolutely nothing wrong with ANPR technology!
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This is no different to pressing a button to obtain a ticket before entering and using that same ticket to calculate the amount due. The time stamp is when the ticket is issued, not when you actually park.Fruitcake said:daveyjp said:The only use of ANPR when parking should be to read your plate on entry and calculate what is due on leaving. Once payment is made the barrier lifts.
I disagree. ANPR only records time on site, not time parked. Driving round waiting for a space, or waiting to leave is not parking. It is unfair to charge someone when they are not parked, and unfair to issue an invoice for an overstay that includes non-parking time.1 -
At least with a ticket you have your entry time, or the time by when you have to leave. Even if you know you're driving past ANPR cameras (and so many who come here a blissfully unaware), you have no information to confirm the times the cameras are working to.daveyjp said:
This is no different to pressing a button to obtain a ticket before entering and using that same ticket to calculate the amount due. The time stamp is when the ticket is issued, not when you actually park.Fruitcake said:daveyjp said:The only use of ANPR when parking should be to read your plate on entry and calculate what is due on leaving. Once payment is made the barrier lifts.
I disagree. ANPR only records time on site, not time parked. Driving round waiting for a space, or waiting to leave is not parking. It is unfair to charge someone when they are not parked, and unfair to issue an invoice for an overstay that includes non-parking time.Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
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daveyjp said:
This is no different to pressing a button to obtain a ticket before entering and using that same ticket to calculate the amount due. The time stamp is when the ticket is issued, not when you actually park.Fruitcake said:daveyjp said:The only use of ANPR when parking should be to read your plate on entry and calculate what is due on leaving. Once payment is made the barrier lifts.
I disagree. ANPR only records time on site, not time parked. Driving round waiting for a space, or waiting to leave is not parking. It is unfair to charge someone when they are not parked, and unfair to issue an invoice for an overstay that includes non-parking time.
As confirmed in HMRC vs NCP. The contract/time begins when "the green button is pressed". It does not start when the vehicle passes an ANPR camera which is one of the reasons why they should not be used for car park monitoring.
In this instance the point is that the camera technology failed to correctly read the characters, failed to read a number plate at all, misinterpreted characters from an item of clothing, and issued an automatic penalty charge without any human checks.
This resulted in a DPA/GDPR failure by the council for obtaining and processing personal data, and the DVLA for releasing it without checking that the requester had reasonable cause to do so.I married my cousin. I had to...I don't have a sister.
All my screwdrivers are cordless."You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks1 -
I think the poster may be referring to pressing a button to get a ticket and the barrier opens ... in that scenario the vehicle is not yet parked but the clock has started ticking.
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In which case make a complaint to Trading Standards.You never know how far you can go until you go too far.0
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I'm going to so do this!!! I'm going to walk around in a big cardboard box with my VRM on it and see 8f they try to stick me on with NTK and how far they'll push it!!! It maybe stick my VRM plate on my pedal bike!prowla said:I think I'm going to start selling T-shirts with number plates on them - imaging the fun you could have!2 -
... or a T shirt depicting a VRM from the stables of your favourite PPC, especially if you happen to be visiting a car park infested by a different PPC.
I married my cousin. I had to...I don't have a sister.All my screwdrivers are cordless."You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks2 -
As Lynnzer on pepipoo famously did with his shopping trolley:
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