Should I appeal Amtrac parking ticket as permit was on display or contact them and appeal?

Victoire7

Thank you so much, Not_A_Hope, that is reassuring.

Coupon-mad

Yep, you didn't make an admission.  They are trying to scare you.  Carry on!

Le_Kirk

Victoire7 said:

What I said in my defence was: 3. The vehicle in question was correctly parked in the allocated parking space and had the correct permit issued by the claimant on display in the front windscreen, albeit furled due to the heat because of the wafer-like permit, but it was ‘clearly on display’ as per the claimant’s parking instructions. 

If the permit was supplied by the PPC, there is some contributory negligence in that they supplied a "not fit for purpose" permit that they must have known (after all they supply permits not just for you but for thousands of motorists) that it was not satisfactory.

B789

Just playing devil's advocate here, but BW Legal state in that letter:

Given that you made an admission to the unpaid PCN, we will bring this to the Court's attention should the matter proceed to a final hearing

Would this not be persuasive to a judge?

Coupon-mad

Nope because they didn't make any admission of wrongdoing that was within their control. If the flimsy permit (surely expected to be designed to withstand sun exposure in a windscreen) was at fault by fading & curling up in normal UK weather, within months, then (as @Le_Kirk says) that's the C's fault as they are the trader.  

Permit not fit for purpose.

Arguably, the lack of prominence of wording on the permit also breaches another section of the CRA 2015 because it is a 'consumer notice' relevant to the alleged contract.  Where terms are ambiguous (in this case it's said the consumer notice was 'furled' and possibly unclear) the interpretation that most favours the CONSUMER must prevail anyway!  Thus, if it walks like a duck and looks like a duck and the D says it's their duck...then it is their permit and a trader can't have that interpreted in their favour if the wording was in any way ambiguous.

Victoire7

To Le_kirk, B789, coupon-mad, Not_A_Hope, Fruitcake, D_P_Dance, Umkomaas, Mouse007 and everyone else who has helped and offered such brilliant, patient advice and support, this is a huge thank you. I have been away - arriving home today - to a letter from BW Legal stating that their client has discontinued their claim and issued a Notice of Discontinuance! I am so happy to report this and would urge anyone else in a similar position to keep going! Many, many thanks!

Umkomaas

Victoire7 said:

To Le_kirk, B789, coupon-mad, Not_A_Hope, Fruitcake, D_P_Dance, Umkomaas, Mouse007 and everyone else who has helped and offered such brilliant, patient advice and support, this is a huge thank you. I have been away - arriving home today - to a letter from BW Legal stating that their client has discontinued their claim and issued a Notice of Discontinuance! I am so happy to report this and would urge anyone else in a similar position to keep going! Many, many thanks!

Wonderful news to come home to. What a nasty pair of monkeys to stop clambering all over your back.  Nicely done, and thank you for the update (👏) - such news is what keeps us motivated to come back every day of the week to help harassed and intimidated motorists from across the country to fight this appalling, shameful scourge. 

Coupon-mad

Victoire7 said:

To Le_kirk, B789, coupon-mad, Not_A_Hope, Fruitcake, D_P_Dance, Umkomaas, Mouse007 and everyone else who has helped and offered such brilliant, patient advice and support, this is a huge thank you. I have been away - arriving home today - to a letter from BW Legal stating that their client has discontinued their claim and issued a Notice of Discontinuance! I am so happy to report this and would urge anyone else in a similar position to keep going! Many, many thanks!

Very good news! Another win by discontinuance!

One favour please:

We need you - as a genuine PPC victim of aggression, sharp practice and an 'extortion' attempt to add £60 or £70 as a 'numbers game' to line the pockets of the roboclaim hangers-on - to respond robustly to the Public Consultation.

It will specifically be ONLY about the level of parking charges and the banning of the false added DRA 'fee' that too many honest motorists currently fall victim to.

It will need consumer input (powerful voices) but change is afoot. It's taken about 5 years to get to this stage:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6333036/breaking-news-government-has-announced-the-statutory-code-of-practice-and-enforcement-framework/p1

And then the industry threw victims' money at it and blocked and delayed it - explained here:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/79310609/#Comment_79310609

Please now Bookmark BOTH threads and set up email alerts on your posting profile, so that you get an email alert when we post there, as we will, once the Public Consultation opens.

...anticipated VERY soon, in weeks...

We need people like you and your driving family & friends to respond in high numbers. You have a personal story to tell about the culture of greed that inflates parking charges to line the pockets of roboclaim thug 'legal' firms, and incentivises court as a cheaper form of debt collection than the PPC making proper efforts to engage with the consumer.

I am sure you want your voice heard to stop this happening again.

Please bookmark the thread and come back!

Not_A_Hope

Well done Victoire7 on sticking to your guns and beating these scammers

Victoire7

Forumite, your support, helped keep me going. So wonderful that you are helping intimidated motorists countrywide. I hope that such scams will be shut down for good! Not_A_Hope, thanks for helping me to stick to my guns! What an incredible victory!