Autoglass damaged windscreen but MOT expiring

DB1904

Grey_Critic said:

The OP does not say how far off is the MOT expiry date - whilst you can drive a vehicle that has failed an MOT test before the expiry of the current test certificale the question has to be why it failed and can the fault fall under the category of *Driving an unroadworthy car?*

You can't legally drive it until whatever it failed on is rectified. 

molerat

DB1904 said:

Grey_Critic said:

The OP does not say how far off is the MOT expiry date - whilst you can drive a vehicle that has failed an MOT test before the expiry of the current test certificale the question has to be why it failed and can the fault fall under the category of *Driving an unroadworthy car?*

You can't legally drive it until whatever it failed on is rectified. 

If the screen is worthy of a fail they cannot legally drive it now.  Unless the screen is really bad with a big crack right across the drivers vision there is little to no risk of any consequences until after the current MOT expiry, a fail inside the current certificate validity does not invalidate it.

DB1904

molerat said:

DB1904 said:

Grey_Critic said:

The OP does not say how far off is the MOT expiry date - whilst you can drive a vehicle that has failed an MOT test before the expiry of the current test certificale the question has to be why it failed and can the fault fall under the category of *Driving an unroadworthy car?*

You can't legally drive it until whatever it failed on is rectified. 

If the screen is worthy of a fail they cannot legally drive it now.  Unless the screen is really bad with a big crack right across the drivers vision there is little to no risk of any consequences until after the current MOT expiry, a fail inside the current certificate validity does not invalidate it.

Who said it did?

AdrianC

DB1904 said:

Grey_Critic said:

The OP does not say how far off is the MOT expiry date - whilst you can drive a vehicle that has failed an MOT test before the expiry of the current test certificale the question has to be why it failed and can the fault fall under the category of *Driving an unroadworthy car?

You can't legally drive it until whatever it failed on is rectified. 

Yes, you can.

A fail does not say the car is unroadworthy, any more than a pass says it is roadworthy.

You couldn't drive it legally if it was unroadworthy, with or without the fail. But you can do if it's roadworthy.

Here's a few fail scenarios for you... Are any of these cars unroadworthy?

I submit a car for test with a 13-pin trailer socket that doesn't work. All the rear lights do.
Fail.
I don't tow, the socket was there when I bought the car and the actual removable ball has got lost anyway. If it was a 7-pin, it wouldn't be testable.

I submit a mid 1990s car that's had a high-level brake light added. It's down to 3 of 7 light sources working.
Fail.
If I were to disconnect the high-level brake light completely, it would pass, even without it being removed.

I submit a car first registered on 1st Sept 2009, with non-working reversing lights.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the previous day, it would pass.

I submit a late 1980s car with no high-beam telltale on the dash.
Fail.
It's an example of a certain post-86 cars that never had them from new, even though they were a legal requirement, and there's a note on the tester's computer not to fail them on that, but he forgot to read that and should have passed it.

I submit a 7-seater with removable seats and a knackered seatbelt in the third row.
Fail.
If I took five seconds to remove the seat, pass.

I submit a petrol first registered on 1st July 2003 with the EML on.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the day before, it would pass. If it was diesel and up to five years newer, it would pass.

There are a LOT of similar edge cases. It is nowhere NEAR as simple as fail = unroadworthy, pass = roadworthy, even as they get reversed off the ramp after the test.

DB1904

AdrianC said:

DB1904 said:

Grey_Critic said:

The OP does not say how far off is the MOT expiry date - whilst you can drive a vehicle that has failed an MOT test before the expiry of the current test certificale the question has to be why it failed and can the fault fall under the category of *Driving an unroadworthy car?

You can't legally drive it until whatever it failed on is rectified. 

Yes, you can.

A fail does not say the car is unroadworthy, any more than a pass says it is roadworthy.

You couldn't drive it legally if it was unroadworthy, with or without the fail. But you can do if it's roadworthy.

Here's a few fail scenarios for you... Are any of these cars unroadworthy?

I submit a car for test with a 13-pin trailer socket that doesn't work. All the rear lights do.
Fail.
I don't tow, the socket was there when I bought the car and the actual removable ball has got lost anyway. If it was a 7-pin, it wouldn't be testable.

I submit a mid 1990s car that's had a high-level brake light added. It's down to 3 of 7 light sources working.
Fail.
If I were to disconnect the high-level brake light completely, it would pass, even without it being removed.

I submit a car first registered on 1st Sept 2009, with non-working reversing lights.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the previous day, it would pass.

I submit a late 1980s car with no high-beam telltale on the dash.
Fail.
It's an example of a certain post-86 cars that never had them from new, even though they were a legal requirement, and there's a note on the tester's computer not to fail them on that, but he forgot to read that and should have passed it.

I submit a 7-seater with removable seats and a knackered seatbelt in the third row.
Fail.
If I took five seconds to remove the seat, pass.

I submit a petrol first registered on 1st July 2003 with the EML on.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the day before, it would pass. If it was diesel and up to five years newer, it would pass.

There are a LOT of similar edge cases. It is nowhere NEAR as simple as fail = unroadworthy, pass = roadworthy, even as they get reversed off the ramp after the test.

I'm not taking about it being unroadworthy. In the case of the OP their vehicle won't be legal to drive if it fails on the screen until the screen is replaced. Your previous failures don't really help the OP.

ontheroad1970

DB1904 said:

AdrianC said:

DB1904 said:

Grey_Critic said:

The OP does not say how far off is the MOT expiry date - whilst you can drive a vehicle that has failed an MOT test before the expiry of the current test certificale the question has to be why it failed and can the fault fall under the category of *Driving an unroadworthy car?

You can't legally drive it until whatever it failed on is rectified. 

Yes, you can.

A fail does not say the car is unroadworthy, any more than a pass says it is roadworthy.

You couldn't drive it legally if it was unroadworthy, with or without the fail. But you can do if it's roadworthy.

Here's a few fail scenarios for you... Are any of these cars unroadworthy?

I submit a car for test with a 13-pin trailer socket that doesn't work. All the rear lights do.
Fail.
I don't tow, the socket was there when I bought the car and the actual removable ball has got lost anyway. If it was a 7-pin, it wouldn't be testable.

I submit a mid 1990s car that's had a high-level brake light added. It's down to 3 of 7 light sources working.
Fail.
If I were to disconnect the high-level brake light completely, it would pass, even without it being removed.

I submit a car first registered on 1st Sept 2009, with non-working reversing lights.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the previous day, it would pass.

I submit a late 1980s car with no high-beam telltale on the dash.
Fail.
It's an example of a certain post-86 cars that never had them from new, even though they were a legal requirement, and there's a note on the tester's computer not to fail them on that, but he forgot to read that and should have passed it.

I submit a 7-seater with removable seats and a knackered seatbelt in the third row.
Fail.
If I took five seconds to remove the seat, pass.

I submit a petrol first registered on 1st July 2003 with the EML on.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the day before, it would pass. If it was diesel and up to five years newer, it would pass.

There are a LOT of similar edge cases. It is nowhere NEAR as simple as fail = unroadworthy, pass = roadworthy, even as they get reversed off the ramp after the test.

I'm not taking about it being unroadworthy. In the case of the OP their vehicle won't be legal to drive if it fails on the screen until the screen is replaced. Your previous failures don't really help the OP.

But the OP can drive on the existing MOT pass from last year even if it fails now, provided it is not unroadworthy, so roadworthiness is the whole point.

AdrianC

DB1904 said:

I'm not taking about it being unroadworthy. In the case of the OP their vehicle won't be legal to drive if it fails on the screen until the screen is replaced. Your previous failures don't really help the OP.

You are, because that's the only way it'd be illegal.

If the screen renders it unroadworthy, it's illegal.
If the screen doesn't, it's legal.

The test is irrelevant either way. The OP cannot be prosecuted for not having a current MOT until it expires.

Aretnap

hermante said:

b) while it is legal to drive to a pre-booked MOT, not sure if 15 miles on a motorway is acceptable (the car came with a service plan at the dealership)

There's no limit to how far you can drive to a pre-booked MOT, the only requirement is that the sole reason for the journey is to get to the test centre. You're allowed to to drive to your choice of test centre, by any reasonable route, and to make incidental stops (eg for petrol, or to go to the loo) along the way. It's an urban myth that you are only allowed to drive to your nearest MOT station, or only by the most direct possible route.

DB1904

ontheroad1970 said:

DB1904 said:

AdrianC said:

DB1904 said:

Grey_Critic said:

The OP does not say how far off is the MOT expiry date - whilst you can drive a vehicle that has failed an MOT test before the expiry of the current test certificale the question has to be why it failed and can the fault fall under the category of *Driving an unroadworthy car?

You can't legally drive it until whatever it failed on is rectified. 

Yes, you can.

A fail does not say the car is unroadworthy, any more than a pass says it is roadworthy.

You couldn't drive it legally if it was unroadworthy, with or without the fail. But you can do if it's roadworthy.

Here's a few fail scenarios for you... Are any of these cars unroadworthy?

I submit a car for test with a 13-pin trailer socket that doesn't work. All the rear lights do.
Fail.
I don't tow, the socket was there when I bought the car and the actual removable ball has got lost anyway. If it was a 7-pin, it wouldn't be testable.

I submit a mid 1990s car that's had a high-level brake light added. It's down to 3 of 7 light sources working.
Fail.
If I were to disconnect the high-level brake light completely, it would pass, even without it being removed.

I submit a car first registered on 1st Sept 2009, with non-working reversing lights.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the previous day, it would pass.

I submit a late 1980s car with no high-beam telltale on the dash.
Fail.
It's an example of a certain post-86 cars that never had them from new, even though they were a legal requirement, and there's a note on the tester's computer not to fail them on that, but he forgot to read that and should have passed it.

I submit a 7-seater with removable seats and a knackered seatbelt in the third row.
Fail.
If I took five seconds to remove the seat, pass.

I submit a petrol first registered on 1st July 2003 with the EML on.
Fail.
If it'd been registered the day before, it would pass. If it was diesel and up to five years newer, it would pass.

There are a LOT of similar edge cases. It is nowhere NEAR as simple as fail = unroadworthy, pass = roadworthy, even as they get reversed off the ramp after the test.

I'm not taking about it being unroadworthy. In the case of the OP their vehicle won't be legal to drive if it fails on the screen until the screen is replaced. Your previous failures don't really help the OP.

But the OP can drive on the existing MOT pass from last year even if it fails now, provided it is not unroadworthy, so roadworthiness is the whole point.

It's not as it's still an offence to drive with the broken screen if that what it fails on. 

AdrianC

DB1904 said:

ontheroad1970 said:

But the OP can drive on the existing MOT pass from last year even if it fails now, provided it is not unroadworthy, so roadworthiness is the whole point.

It's not as it's still an offence to drive with the broken screen if that what it fails on. 

No, it is not.

Not unless that screen is so badly damaged as to be unroadworthy. In which case, it was just as illegal on the way TO the test.

Nothing about that test fail changes ANYTHING about the legality of the screen, either way.