Gas Engineer lying about dangerous issues

Mardle

In this case I think I'd tend to believe the 2nd engineer,. He has nothing to gain from saying there is no leak. The OP would have to pay for the inspection whatever the result. If he's wrong he has everything to lose..

canaldumidi

Common sense says it's more likely the 1st engineer was hoping for repair work. The 2nd engineer gains nothing from issueing a certificate which should not have been issued, and risks his licence.

OP, either get a 3rd report, or report to GasSafe Register.

AdrianC

I think we need to clarify which was 1st and which was 2nd...

I think Mardle is thinking the OP's guy, who warned on last year's certif but issued it - and was brought back for the retest this year - is the first, while the agent's is the second.

I think Canal is thinking the opposite.

newsgroupmonkey_

everyone_else said:

I seem to have really struck a nerve by trying to find a quick way to explain that I do not have previous experience in the field and why I'm here asking for opinions on how to approach this issue. 

Just had a look at the Warning Notice issued by the original engineer, all it says is "giving off high levels of carbon monoxide". I do wonder if they are required to note down the exact measurement somewhere else, if not I guess it would be tricky to get to the bottom of the different results. 

Anyway thanks for your input!

He's like that I'm afraid. There are some that love to be aggressive towards others, then report posts like mine because they call them out.

An accidental landlord in my opinion is someone who became a landlord because of a situation they found themselves in. An occupation landlord to me is someone who deliberately sets out to get a Buy-to-let. I do agree that because you're running a business, it's in your interests to understand your role in the market, but at the same time, you've used an Agent.

as @theartfullodger will point out (and they make some great posts in here), there are no qualifications required to become a letting agent. They're not regulated either (although they may belong to a trade body). So when considering your management company, have this in the back of your mind at all times.

You'll not get much help in here I'm afraid. Most people are geared up towards tenants and like to be passive aggressive or show their bullishness. Unfortunately, if you go to somewhere like Landlordzone, you'll find quite often that they're anti-tenant too, but might be able to offer you some landlord advice.

There are one or two people on here who are very professional and are good at seeing both sides of the coin.

Marvel1

Go for a third opinion, not mentioning what the previous said.

michael1234

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

everyone_else said:

I seem to have really struck a nerve by trying to find a quick way to explain that I do not have previous experience in the field and why I'm here asking for opinions on how to approach this issue. 

Just had a look at the Warning Notice issued by the original engineer, all it says is "giving off high levels of carbon monoxide". I do wonder if they are required to note down the exact measurement somewhere else, if not I guess it would be tricky to get to the bottom of the different results. 

Anyway thanks for your input!

He's like that I'm afraid. There are some that love to be aggressive towards others, then report posts like mine because they call them out.

An accidental landlord in my opinion is someone who became a landlord because of a situation they found themselves in. An occupation landlord to me is someone who deliberately sets out to get a Buy-to-let. I do agree that because you're running a business, it's in your interests to understand your role in the market, but at the same time, you've used an Agent.

as @theartfullodger will point out (and they make some great posts in here), there are no qualifications required to become a letting agent. They're not regulated either (although they may belong to a trade body). So when considering your management company, have this in the back of your mind at all times.

You'll not get much help in here I'm afraid. Most people are geared up towards tenants and like to be passive aggressive or show their bullishness. Unfortunately, if you go to somewhere like Landlordzone, you'll find quite often that they're anti-tenant too, but might be able to offer you some landlord advice.

There are one or two people on here who are very professional and are good at seeing both sides of the coin.

Clearly one rgi is looking for business and who easier to rip off than a remote landlord. The second rgi that said it is safe has no reason whatsoever to lie about that and many reasons to be certain of his analysis.

To your other point, I wish mse would have a clear out and get rid of people who clearly post after post entirely to antagonise others - typically the OPs with new and often distressing stories.

Jude57

michael1234 said:

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

everyone_else said:

I seem to have really struck a nerve by trying to find a quick way to explain that I do not have previous experience in the field and why I'm here asking for opinions on how to approach this issue. 

Just had a look at the Warning Notice issued by the original engineer, all it says is "giving off high levels of carbon monoxide". I do wonder if they are required to note down the exact measurement somewhere else, if not I guess it would be tricky to get to the bottom of the different results. 

Anyway thanks for your input!

He's like that I'm afraid. There are some that love to be aggressive towards others, then report posts like mine because they call them out.

An accidental landlord in my opinion is someone who became a landlord because of a situation they found themselves in. An occupation landlord to me is someone who deliberately sets out to get a Buy-to-let. I do agree that because you're running a business, it's in your interests to understand your role in the market, but at the same time, you've used an Agent.

as @theartfullodger will point out (and they make some great posts in here), there are no qualifications required to become a letting agent. They're not regulated either (although they may belong to a trade body). So when considering your management company, have this in the back of your mind at all times.

You'll not get much help in here I'm afraid. Most people are geared up towards tenants and like to be passive aggressive or show their bullishness. Unfortunately, if you go to somewhere like Landlordzone, you'll find quite often that they're anti-tenant too, but might be able to offer you some landlord advice.

There are one or two people on here who are very professional and are good at seeing both sides of the coin.

Clearly one rgi is looking for business and who easier to rip off than a remote landlord. The second rgi that said it is safe has no reason whatsoever to lie about that and many reasons to be certain of his analysis.

To your other point, I wish mse would have a clear out and get rid of people who clearly post after post entirely to antagonise others - typically the OPs with new and often distressing stories.

This is, though, a public forum and as such, will attract a range of opinions. I've been a member here for over 15 years, had a similar name prior to the latest relaunch when it disappeared. I post more now than I have done previously but I read a lot of the threads and don't post on all of them.

There are some very knowledgeable posters here who, let's not forget, are giving their advice, time and effort for free. That advice won't always be what OP's want to hear but it almost always is in their best interests, even if delivered in a blunt or forthright manner. 

I would, however, say that I think regular posters (myself included) sometimes forget that, although we may have seen a given scenario many times before, the OP likely hasn't, hence their posting for advice. I'm making a point of trying to take a moment before I reply to OP's to check my tone as I wouldn't want an OP to be so vexed at my tone that they miss salient points.

Now, if I could only learn to be more concise............😀

All that said, if you believe a post breaches the site's rules, report it. Or respond to the specific poster and ask them to consider their tone. I don't like the idea of MSE staff clearing out blunt posters though. It could leave an awful lot of us without the clear advice we need.

canaldumidi

michael1234 said:

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

everyone_else said:

I seem to have really struck a nerve by trying to find a quick way to explain that I do not have previous experience in the field and why I'm here asking for opinions on how to approach this issue. 

Just had a look at the Warning Notice issued by the original engineer, all it says is "giving off high levels of carbon monoxide". I do wonder if they are required to note down the exact measurement somewhere else, if not I guess it would be tricky to get to the bottom of the different results. 

Anyway thanks for your input!

He's like that I'm afraid. There are some that love to be aggressive towards others, then report posts like mine because they call them out.

An accidental landlord in my opinion is someone who became a landlord because of a situation they found themselves in. An occupation landlord to me is someone who deliberately sets out to get a Buy-to-let. I do agree that because you're running a business, it's in your interests to understand your role in the market, but at the same time, you've used an Agent.

as @theartfullodger will point out (and they make some great posts in here), there are no qualifications required to become a letting agent. They're not regulated either (although they may belong to a trade body). So when considering your management company, have this in the back of your mind at all times.

You'll not get much help in here I'm afraid. Most people are geared up towards tenants and like to be passive aggressive or show their bullishness. Unfortunately, if you go to somewhere like Landlordzone, you'll find quite often that they're anti-tenant too, but might be able to offer you some landlord advice.

There are one or two people on here who are very professional and are good at seeing both sides of the coin.

To your other point, I wish mse would have a clear out and get rid of people who clearly post after post entirely to antagonise others - typically the OPs with new and often distressing stories.

Sadly "clear outs" can backfire. We now have a stickie that cannot be updated. None of the recent changes of rules/leglislation over the last year are reflected in the posts, which means people are being mis-informed.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5180214/tenancies-in-eng-wales-guides-for-landlords-and-tenants/p1

I/m sure G_M would update the stickie if he could........

lookstraightahead

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

everyone_else said:

I seem to have really struck a nerve by trying to find a quick way to explain that I do not have previous experience in the field and why I'm here asking for opinions on how to approach this issue. 

Just had a look at the Warning Notice issued by the original engineer, all it says is "giving off high levels of carbon monoxide". I do wonder if they are required to note down the exact measurement somewhere else, if not I guess it would be tricky to get to the bottom of the different results. 

Anyway thanks for your input!

He's like that I'm afraid. There are some that love to be aggressive towards others, then report posts like mine because they call them out.

An accidental landlord in my opinion is someone who became a landlord because of a situation they found themselves in. An occupation landlord to me is someone who deliberately sets out to get a Buy-to-let. I do agree that because you're running a business, it's in your interests to understand your role in the market, but at the same time, you've used an Agent.

as @theartfullodger will point out (and they make some great posts in here), there are no qualifications required to become a letting agent. They're not regulated either (although they may belong to a trade body). So when considering your management company, have this in the back of your mind at all times.

You'll not get much help in here I'm afraid. Most people are geared up towards tenants and like to be passive aggressive or show their bullishness. Unfortunately, if you go to somewhere like Landlordzone, you'll find quite often that they're anti-tenant too, but might be able to offer you some landlord advice.

There are one or two people on here who are very professional and are good at seeing both sides of the coin.

On the other hand, Adrian gave me amazing advice when I was buying a house where there was a land issue. Pointed me in the right direction which saved me a load of hassle.

You rarely find yourself just being a landlord, except maybe if you inherit. Otherwise you choose to become one. An agent is purely there to assist you as a landlord, not so that you don't have to learn your job. 

fezster

OP, I think your use of the phrase "accidental landlord" accurately depicts your situation to most on here. For it to be taken literally as accidental is a little absurd. 

As to your description of what has occurred with the 2 engineers, I'd say its highly unlikely any registered GSE would risk their professional career and possible imprisonment for the sake of a £100 safety certificate. On the other hand, it's perfectly believable that a management agency appointed GSE is trying to extract unnecessary work.