Tenants won't leave property we're buying..

lookstraightahead

elsien said:

lookstraightahead said:

I think the issue here is that people don't see properties as the tenants' home, 

It is their home for as long as they have a valid tenancy. It’s not a home in perpetuity. 

But it's their home for an awful lot longer than people realise.
Not the op, but lots of people think tenants will just move out.

onylon

Ramouth said:

My sympathy here is for the tenants.  Imagine facing eviction and homelessness for you and your children through no fault of your own.  I wish there was more protection for tenants in this situation so that tenanted properties could only be sold to other landlords.

The tenants are probably aware of their rights and could just be taking their sweet time. Assuming they must be poverty-stricken just because they rent is pretty ridiculous and potentially offensive. 

I had a lodger up until the rent a room scheme was scrapped. At that point the paperwork needed to rent a single room was going to be way more effort than it was worth so I asked my lodger/friend to move out. When my circumstances changed and I needed to move, I briefly considered renting out my home. The landlord licencing scheme in my area was incredibly onerous. The council wanted £1300 for a 3 month licence and then an undisclosed sum to re-apply for a new licence, with no guarantee that I would actually be able to rent the property out at the end because they hadn't set the criteria for the new licencing scheme. I decided to sell up. Pushing potential landlords like myself out of the market is very bad news for tenants.

MaryNB

onylon said:

Ramouth said:

My sympathy here is for the tenants.  Imagine facing eviction and homelessness for you and your children through no fault of your own.  I wish there was more protection for tenants in this situation so that tenanted properties could only be sold to other landlords.

The tenants are probably aware of their rights and could just be taking their sweet time. Assuming they must be poverty-stricken just because they rent is pretty ridiculous and potentially offensive. 

I had a lodger up until the rent a room scheme was scrapped. At that point the paperwork needed to rent a single room was going to be way more effort than it was worth so I asked my lodger/friend to move out. When my circumstances changed and I needed to move, I briefly considered renting out my home. The landlord licencing scheme in my area was incredibly onerous. The council wanted £1300 for a 3 month licence and then an undisclosed sum to re-apply for a new licence, with no guarantee that I would actually be able to rent the property out at the end because they hadn't set the criteria for the new licencing scheme. I decided to sell up. Pushing potential landlords like myself out of the market is very bad news for tenants.

The assumption wasn't made just because the tenants rent, the OP said the tenants are looking into getting help from the council which would imply they're struggling to afford a private rental. 


Rent a room hasn't been scrapped - Rent a room in your home. Getting a lodger in a single room isn't difficult. If you're the kind of landlord who gets rid of people when things are too much effort, well I don't think it's that bad for tenants that you have chosen not to let. Also it's another house the market that people can buy as a home. I rented for many years, all those places were my home. Some landlords don't seem to acknowledge that for renters it's not just a property they sleep in. 

Ramouth

onylon said:

Ramouth said:

My sympathy here is for the tenants.  Imagine facing eviction and homelessness for you and your children through no fault of your own.  I wish there was more protection for tenants in this situation so that tenanted properties could only be sold to other landlords.

The tenants are probably aware of their rights and could just be taking their sweet time. Assuming they must be poverty-stricken just because they rent is pretty ridiculous and potentially offensive. 

Tenants don’t need to be poverty stricken to struggle to find somewhere to live. 

The area we live in has had a lot of people move into the area, houses purchased as second homes, and long term lets turned into short term holiday lets.  There is a huge amount of completion for rentals.  The council do not have enough stock to house everybody so advise tenants to wait until they are evicted.  I was looking at it from the blinkered view of my area.

I have already apologised to the OP and now apologise to anybody else I have inadvertently offended.  I don’t blame the OP, I don’t blame the seller, I would like to see legislation to make renting more secure.  Which was irrelevant to the OPs original question so I should have kept quiet (and wish I had as I really don’t like to offend).

Owleyes00

I just came on here to say you have my sympathies as I have been through this recently and could have written your post right down to finding it hard to believe they can’t find anywhere else.

All’s well that ends well though as the council swooped in at the last second and offered them somewhere to go and I’m typing this from the mattress on the floor in my new house.

Don’t lose faith, at least wait at find out what happens at the end of this week. And possibly speak to the letting agent? They were incredibly helpful in our situation

csgohan4

Looks like LL wanting their cake and eat. Poor OP has now wasted money on fees due their own lack of research on tenants realistic eviction and being strung along by LL

Look elsewhere your going no where on this and see it as an expensive lesson. Realistically it will take 2+ years to evict, the courts are back logged. 

EndlessStruggle

They may also want a council property as the tenancies are deemed more secure and they don't want the house sold from under them again.

I am also buying a tenanted house and questioning what will happen when their notice date comes around.

I've been told they will move out and before the date by the EA but who knows what they will do. As a renter myself I am sympathetic. 

From what I've seen on here some do move out and some don't.

I'm trying to put off the chargeable work - searches, survey etc until there is some movement but am still looking just in case.

Around here the housing situation is ridiculous for both buying and renting with them being snapped up.

Most rents are up £100-150 per month higher than a few years ago for a 3 bed so this pushes up both the deposit and the rent and I doubt theirs has been increased much since they moved in.

The EA didn't tell me the house was tenanted until after the viewing and I had already fallen in love with the house. 

It was advertised as chain free and vacant possession etc. 

I'll wait if I have to but I doubt I'll wait forever. 

Gavin83

Ramouth said:

onylon said:

Ramouth said:

My sympathy here is for the tenants.  Imagine facing eviction and homelessness for you and your children through no fault of your own.  I wish there was more protection for tenants in this situation so that tenanted properties could only be sold to other landlords.

The tenants are probably aware of their rights and could just be taking their sweet time. Assuming they must be poverty-stricken just because they rent is pretty ridiculous and potentially offensive. 

Tenants don’t need to be poverty stricken to struggle to find somewhere to live. 

The area we live in has had a lot of people move into the area, houses purchased as second homes, and long term lets turned into short term holiday lets.  There is a huge amount of completion for rentals.  The council do not have enough stock to house everybody so advise tenants to wait until they are evicted.  I was looking at it from the blinkered view of my area.

I have already apologised to the OP and now apologise to anybody else I have inadvertently offended.  I don’t blame the OP, I don’t blame the seller, I would like to see legislation to make renting more secure.  Which was irrelevant to the OPs original question so I should have kept quiet (and wish I had as I really don’t like to offend).

The problem is the more you bias the laws in favour of tenants the less landlords you get and it then becomes harder (and more expensive) for people to rent. We’ve already got this issue to an extent, hence why long term let’s are changing into holiday lets.

I guess the solution is more social housing but councils don’t have enough money to operate normally, they certainly won’t find the money to buy a load of property.

GDB2222

Gavin83 said:

Ramouth said:

onylon said:

Ramouth said:

My sympathy here is for the tenants.  Imagine facing eviction and homelessness for you and your children through no fault of your own.  I wish there was more protection for tenants in this situation so that tenanted properties could only be sold to other landlords.

The tenants are probably aware of their rights and could just be taking their sweet time. Assuming they must be poverty-stricken just because they rent is pretty ridiculous and potentially offensive. 

Tenants don’t need to be poverty stricken to struggle to find somewhere to live. 

The area we live in has had a lot of people move into the area, houses purchased as second homes, and long term lets turned into short term holiday lets.  There is a huge amount of completion for rentals.  The council do not have enough stock to house everybody so advise tenants to wait until they are evicted.  I was looking at it from the blinkered view of my area.

I have already apologised to the OP and now apologise to anybody else I have inadvertently offended.  I don’t blame the OP, I don’t blame the seller, I would like to see legislation to make renting more secure.  Which was irrelevant to the OPs original question so I should have kept quiet (and wish I had as I really don’t like to offend).

The problem is the more you bias the laws in favour of tenants the less landlords you get and it then becomes harder (and more expensive) for people to rent. We’ve already got this issue to an extent, hence why long term let’s are changing into holiday lets.

I guess the solution is more social housing but councils don’t have enough money to operate normally, they certainly won’t find the money to buy a load of property.

Years ago, before Thatcher introduced ASTs, tenants were almost impossible to evict. The result was that private tenancies were very hard to find, and rents were sky high. 

There needs to be a balance between the rights of the landlords and tenants, or the landlords will sell up, and there won’t be any private tenancies.

Thrugelmir

GDB2222 said:

Gavin83 said:

Ramouth said:

onylon said:

Ramouth said:

My sympathy here is for the tenants.  Imagine facing eviction and homelessness for you and your children through no fault of your own.  I wish there was more protection for tenants in this situation so that tenanted properties could only be sold to other landlords.

The tenants are probably aware of their rights and could just be taking their sweet time. Assuming they must be poverty-stricken just because they rent is pretty ridiculous and potentially offensive. 

Tenants don’t need to be poverty stricken to struggle to find somewhere to live. 

The area we live in has had a lot of people move into the area, houses purchased as second homes, and long term lets turned into short term holiday lets.  There is a huge amount of completion for rentals.  The council do not have enough stock to house everybody so advise tenants to wait until they are evicted.  I was looking at it from the blinkered view of my area.

I have already apologised to the OP and now apologise to anybody else I have inadvertently offended.  I don’t blame the OP, I don’t blame the seller, I would like to see legislation to make renting more secure.  Which was irrelevant to the OPs original question so I should have kept quiet (and wish I had as I really don’t like to offend).

The problem is the more you bias the laws in favour of tenants the less landlords you get and it then becomes harder (and more expensive) for people to rent. We’ve already got this issue to an extent, hence why long term let’s are changing into holiday lets.

I guess the solution is more social housing but councils don’t have enough money to operate normally, they certainly won’t find the money to buy a load of property.

There needs to be a balance between the rights of the landlords and tenants, or the landlords will sell up, and there won’t be any private tenancies.

Needs to be a stock of long term rentals available. John Lewis,  Legal & General and LLoyds are entering this market in different ways. First steps on a long road.