Hybrid electric

BOWFER

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Mild hybrids are even more cynical and irrelevant than normal hybrids.TadleyBaggie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand that PHEV's can be operated without ever plugging in (though that defeats the extra expense somewhat).

But are very popular as company vehicles due to low taxation.

And very unpopular with proper electric vehicle owners for their habit of using electric car bays to recharge their pathetic range at their pathetically slow charging rate.
For example, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV takes 4 hours at 7KW or 30 mins on a rapid charger, to do a maximum of 29 miles...laughably pathetic
They're just cynical tax avoidance vehicles, let's be honest.

So I should steer clear of mhev altogether and seek just petrol/diesel? I certainly wouldn't want a fully electric car. 

No.
You've already been correctly advised that an MHEV doesn't need any charging from you and it will never drive the car in electric only.
They're even more cynical than other hybrids, they're just Co2 reduction gimmicks.
You'd be as well going for a pure diesel one, but if the MHEV is the spec/colour you want then by all means pay extra for the very slight reduction in Co2 and (maybe) very slight improvement in MPG.
I don't understand your reluctance to even partly drive in electric-only mode, but not my problem.

ontheroad1970

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Mild hybrids are even more cynical and irrelevant than normal hybrids.TadleyBaggie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand that PHEV's can be operated without ever plugging in (though that defeats the extra expense somewhat).

But are very popular as company vehicles due to low taxation.

And very unpopular with proper electric vehicle owners for their habit of using electric car bays to recharge their pathetic range at their pathetically slow charging rate.
For example, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV takes 4 hours at 7KW or 30 mins on a rapid charger, to do a maximum of 29 miles...laughably pathetic
They're just cynical tax avoidance vehicles, let's be honest.

So I should steer clear of mhev altogether and seek just petrol/diesel? I certainly wouldn't want a fully electric car. 

In the not so distant future, you won't have any choice if you wish to have a new car.

BOWFER

" i certainly wouldn't want an electric car" is a baffling statement that smacks of being fed misinformation.
No-one should be buying a new diesel now, not unless they do mega miles and/or intend to run it into the ground (so resale isn't an issue)
The OP has stated in another thread all their driving is low mileage town work!

little_green

ontheroad1970 said:

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Mild hybrids are even more cynical and irrelevant than normal hybrids.TadleyBaggie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand that PHEV's can be operated without ever plugging in (though that defeats the extra expense somewhat).

But are very popular as company vehicles due to low taxation.

And very unpopular with proper electric vehicle owners for their habit of using electric car bays to recharge their pathetic range at their pathetically slow charging rate.
For example, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV takes 4 hours at 7KW or 30 mins on a rapid charger, to do a maximum of 29 miles...laughably pathetic
They're just cynical tax avoidance vehicles, let's be honest.

So I should steer clear of mhev altogether and seek just petrol/diesel? I certainly wouldn't want a fully electric car. 

In the not so distant future, you won't have any choice if you wish to have a new car.

Like how distant?

little_green

BOWFER said:

" i certainly wouldn't want an electric car" is a baffling statement that smacks of being fed misinformation.
No-one should be buying a new diesel now, not unless they do mega miles and/or intend to run it into the ground (so resale isn't an issue)
The OP has stated in another thread all their driving is low mileage town work!

I don't want a fully electric car now due to not having anywhere to plug it in to charge, is that an acceptable reason. 

I also never said I wouldn't use the electric mode if I have a hybrid car ... If it's a feature of tha car then sure I'll take advantage, my point was I don't want a fully electric vehicle 

Keep_pedalling

little_green said:

ontheroad1970 said:

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Mild hybrids are even more cynical and irrelevant than normal hybrids.TadleyBaggie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand that PHEV's can be operated without ever plugging in (though that defeats the extra expense somewhat).

But are very popular as company vehicles due to low taxation.

And very unpopular with proper electric vehicle owners for their habit of using electric car bays to recharge their pathetic range at their pathetically slow charging rate.
For example, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV takes 4 hours at 7KW or 30 mins on a rapid charger, to do a maximum of 29 miles...laughably pathetic
They're just cynical tax avoidance vehicles, let's be honest.

So I should steer clear of mhev altogether and seek just petrol/diesel? I certainly wouldn't want a fully electric car. 

In the not so distant future, you won't have any choice if you wish to have a new car.

Like how distant?

2030

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-historic-step-towards-net-zero-with-end-of-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

BOWFER

Keep_pedalling said:

little_green said:

ontheroad1970 said:

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Mild hybrids are even more cynical and irrelevant than normal hybrids.TadleyBaggie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand that PHEV's can be operated without ever plugging in (though that defeats the extra expense somewhat).

But are very popular as company vehicles due to low taxation.

And very unpopular with proper electric vehicle owners for their habit of using electric car bays to recharge their pathetic range at their pathetically slow charging rate.
For example, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV takes 4 hours at 7KW or 30 mins on a rapid charger, to do a maximum of 29 miles...laughably pathetic
They're just cynical tax avoidance vehicles, let's be honest.

So I should steer clear of mhev altogether and seek just petrol/diesel? I certainly wouldn't want a fully electric car. 

In the not so distant future, you won't have any choice if you wish to have a new car.

Like how distant?

2030

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-historic-step-towards-net-zero-with-end-of-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

Hybrid ban from 2035 too, although there's talk of that being brought forward.
They're already dying a death anyway.

BOWFER

little_green said:

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

" i certainly wouldn't want an electric car" is a baffling statement that smacks of being fed misinformation.
No-one should be buying a new diesel now, not unless they do mega miles and/or intend to run it into the ground (so resale isn't an issue)
The OP has stated in another thread all their driving is low mileage town work!

I don't want a fully electric car now due to not having anywhere to plug it in to charge, is that an acceptable reason. 

I also never said I wouldn't use the electric mode if I have a hybrid car ... If it's a feature of tha car then sure I'll take advantage, my point was I don't want a fully electric vehicle 

A Toyota CH-R hybrid might be worth looking at for you.
At least you'd get some electric driving out of it.
GPF were, I believe, fitted to them after end 2020, so maybe get one that doesn't have one.

little_green

BOWFER said:

Keep_pedalling said:

little_green said:

ontheroad1970 said:

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Mild hybrids are even more cynical and irrelevant than normal hybrids.TadleyBaggie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand that PHEV's can be operated without ever plugging in (though that defeats the extra expense somewhat).

But are very popular as company vehicles due to low taxation.

And very unpopular with proper electric vehicle owners for their habit of using electric car bays to recharge their pathetic range at their pathetically slow charging rate.
For example, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV takes 4 hours at 7KW or 30 mins on a rapid charger, to do a maximum of 29 miles...laughably pathetic
They're just cynical tax avoidance vehicles, let's be honest.

So I should steer clear of mhev altogether and seek just petrol/diesel? I certainly wouldn't want a fully electric car. 

In the not so distant future, you won't have any choice if you wish to have a new car.

Like how distant?

2030

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-historic-step-towards-net-zero-with-end-of-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

Hybrid ban from 2035 too, although there's talk of that being brought forward.
They're already dying a death anyway.

The ban is only one new cars though right so if you already have a petrol/diesel car they're not making your get rid of it are they? You just can't buy a new one. Not sure if my understanding is correct

ontheroad1970

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Keep_pedalling said:

little_green said:

ontheroad1970 said:

little_green said:

BOWFER said:

Mild hybrids are even more cynical and irrelevant than normal hybrids.TadleyBaggie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I understand that PHEV's can be operated without ever plugging in (though that defeats the extra expense somewhat).

But are very popular as company vehicles due to low taxation.

And very unpopular with proper electric vehicle owners for their habit of using electric car bays to recharge their pathetic range at their pathetically slow charging rate.
For example, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV takes 4 hours at 7KW or 30 mins on a rapid charger, to do a maximum of 29 miles...laughably pathetic
They're just cynical tax avoidance vehicles, let's be honest.

So I should steer clear of mhev altogether and seek just petrol/diesel? I certainly wouldn't want a fully electric car. 

In the not so distant future, you won't have any choice if you wish to have a new car.

Like how distant?

2030

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-historic-step-towards-net-zero-with-end-of-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

Hybrid ban from 2035 too, although there's talk of that being brought forward.
They're already dying a death anyway.

The ban is only one new cars though right so if you already have a petrol/diesel car they're not making your get rid of it are they? You just can't buy a new one. Not sure if my understanding is correct

Yes, but then you are buying used and parts and duel will become more scarce and therefore more expensive.