hmrc over paid me a tax rebate on leaving employment and now want it back

simplysounds

my status: i had to stop working in 2019 due to health reasons. i am not medically retired. i do not receive any benefits or pension, i have no savings or get any income. when i left employment in 2019 i received a tax rebate from hmrc in 2021. recently i got a message via the gov gateway advising the over paid me and that i owe them just over £600. i called them to advise them i have no way of paying it back. they advised me it would just stay owing? has anyone got any advice or had any experience of such a situation?

Dazed_and_C0nfused

Do you agree the £600 is owed back to HMRC?

If so just pay what you can when you can.

If HMRC proactively start pursuing you for the money then you can try and agree a payment plan.

TELLIT01

If you have no income and no savings the debt will presumably stay on the system until such time as you do have an income and then will be recovered.

If you have no income or savings why are you not in receipt of benefits?  Is it that you have a partner who's income exceeds the limits?  Not directly relevant to the question but there may be benefits to which you are entitled.  PIP for example.

simplysounds

TELLIT01 said:

If you have no income and no savings the debt will presumably stay on the system until such time as you do have an income and then will be recovered.

If you have no income or savings why are you not in receipt of benefits?  Is it that you have a partner who's income exceeds the limits?  Not directly relevant to the question but there may be benefits to which you are entitled.  PIP for example.

not able to claim any benefit as in the eyes of the dwp my wife earns enough to keep me. they don't take into account we have no money after the monthly bills etc. tried pip. my doctor says i cannot work but the dwp say otherwise. sad when you've paid into the system for 35 years without claiming. as long as you can use one hand and talk in their eyes you are employable. i will not be gaining employment for sure. weather pension is considered an income is another thing

simplysounds

Dazed_and_C0nfused said:

Do you agree the £600 is owed back to HMRC?

If so just pay what you can when you can.

If HMRC proactively start pursuing you for the money then you can try and agree a payment plan.

Dazed_and_C0nfused said:

Do you agree the £600 is owed back to HMRC?

If so just pay what you can when you can.

If HMRC proactively start pursuing you for the money then you can try and agree a payment plan.

Dazed_and_C0nfused said:

Do you agree the £600 is owed back to HMRC?

If so just pay what you can when you can.

If HMRC proactively start pursuing you for the money then you can try and agree a payment plan.

Dazed_and_C0nfused said:

Do you agree the £600 is owed back to HMRC?

If so just pay what you can when you can.

If HMRC proactively start pursuing you for the money then you can try and agree a payment plan.

Dazed_and_C0nfused said:

Do you agree the £600 is owed back to HMRC?

If so just pay what you can when you can.

If HMRC proactively start pursuing you for the money then you can try and agree a payment plan.

i don't agree i owe them. when they gave me the rebate i hadn't worked for 2 years which they were aware of. they did offer a payment plan but as i told them i have no income and will have no future income as i'm not able to work. i live in a small village these days without public transport and no employment opportunities which i conveyed to them 

simplysounds

apologies for the multiple quotes dazed. it wasn't intended, just hit the button too many times

poppy12345

simplysounds said:

TELLIT01 said:

If you have no income and no savings the debt will presumably stay on the system until such time as you do have an income and then will be recovered.

If you have no income or savings why are you not in receipt of benefits?  Is it that you have a partner who's income exceeds the limits?  Not directly relevant to the question but there may be benefits to which you are entitled.  PIP for example.

not able to claim any benefit as in the eyes of the dwp my wife earns enough to keep me. they don't take into account we have no money after the monthly bills etc. tried pip. my doctor says i cannot work but the dwp say otherwise. sad when you've paid into the system for 35 years without claiming. as long as you can use one hand and talk in their eyes you are employable. i will not be gaining employment for sure. weather pension is considered an income is another thing

Paying your bills is not taking into consideration when claiming any means tested benefits. Universal Credit is a means tested benefit and if you live with a partner, you claim as a couple. Pension is classed as income for UC and will reduce it £1 for £1.

New style ESA is not means tested so if you've paid the correct amount of NI contributions in tax years April 2018 to March 2020 then you'll be able to claim this, with a fit note from your GP. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-employment-and-support-allowance

With regards to PIP, it's not about not being able to work or about "paying into the system. it's about how your conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activities based on the PIP descriptors. Have a read of this, it might give you a little more understanding of the PIP descriptors and the criteria.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria

calcotti

poppy12345 said: New style ESA is not means tested so if you've paid the correct amount of NI contributions in tax years April 2018 to March 2020 then you'll be able to claim this, with a fit note from your GP. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-employment-and-support-allowance

Unfortunately OP says they left employment in 2019 so it is almost certainly too late for them to claim new style ESA. 

poppy12345

calcotti said:

poppy12345 said: New style ESA is not means tested so if you've paid the correct amount of NI contributions in tax years April 2018 to March 2020 then you'll be able to claim this, with a fit note from your GP. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-employment-and-support-allowance

Unfortunately OP says they left employment in 2019 so it is almost certainly too late for them to claim new style ESA. 

Ah thanks, i missed that part.

calcotti

poppy12345 said:

calcotti said: Unfortunately OP says they left employment in 2019 so it is almost certainly too late for them to claim new style ESA. 

Ah thanks, i missed that part.

It’s a pity they didn’t try claiming in 2019 or last year.

poppy12345

calcotti said:

poppy12345 said:

calcotti said: Unfortunately OP says they left employment in 2019 so it is almost certainly too late for them to claim new style ESA. 

Ah thanks, i missed that part.

It’s a pity they didn’t try claiming in 2019 or last year.

Sadly, there's far too many people missing out on benefits they're entitled to and when they realise it's too late.