Contesting a Will as Next-of-Kin

Malthusian

RomfordNavy said:

Malthusian said:

What does that have to do with your allegation that hospital nurses (not charity fundraisers) applied pressure to the deceased?

I never said Hospital Nurses, you assumed that.

RomfordNavy said: The now deceased was under pressure from the Nurses to get a Will written, they had asked said friend to chase-up partially completed equity release on a property to cover the cost of having the Will written. [emphasis original]

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p00hsticks

Malthusian said:

RomfordNavy said:

Malthusian said:

What does that have to do with your allegation that hospital nurses (not charity fundraisers) applied pressure to the deceased?

I never said Hospital Nurses, you assumed that.

RomfordNavy said: The now deceased was under pressure from the Nurses to get a Will written, they had asked said friend to chase-up partially completed equity release on a property to cover the cost of having the Will written. [emphasis original]

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I bowed out a while back, but this thread is a bit like a scab that you can't stop coming back to .....

I imagine that the nurses the OP is referring to are not the 'medical' nurses that work in the hospital ward itself, but rather the palliative care nurses - from my recent experiences, the main palliative care charities assign the terminally ill a specific  'nurse' who may or may not be based in a hospital, but whose task is mainly concerned with smoothing the persons passing in ways other than soley medical - e.g. ensuring that benefits are claimed, wills are written, last wishes fulfilled etc.....

Manxman_in_exile

Malthusian said:

RomfordNavy said:

Malthusian said:

What does that have to do with your allegation that hospital nurses (not charity fundraisers) applied pressure to the deceased?

I never said Hospital Nurses, you assumed that.

RomfordNavy said: The now deceased was under pressure from the Nurses to get a Will written, they had asked said friend to chase-up partially completed equity release on a property to cover the cost of having the Will written. [emphasis original]

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To be fair to the OP, I don't think he means that the nurses in question were putting the cousin under undue pressure to do a will and to leave everything to the charities rather than to family and friends.  I think the OP simply means that the nurses - knowing that the OP's cousin was terminally ill - were checking that his affairs were all in order etc and that he had made all the arrangements that he wanted to. 

And it's not clear to me either whether the OP means NHS hospital nurses, or whether he means care staff in the charity's hospice(?).  I'm now confused whether the will was drawn up while the cousin was still in hospital or was in the hospice.

(I'd hate to offend the OP, but I wonder if English might not be their first language and that that may have contributed to a lot of the apparent confusion around their description of what has happened?  Apologies if I'm mistaken, but almost every aspect of this seems to have needed clarification as to what the OP has meant.)

PeterE17

From the post 5th August 6:19 pm OP says "one charity was the Nurses" (capitalised) so maybe no medical nurses were involved in anything but care and the alleged pressure came from a charity. 

74jax

p00hsticks said:

Malthusian said:

RomfordNavy said:

Malthusian said:

What does that have to do with your allegation that hospital nurses (not charity fundraisers) applied pressure to the deceased?

I never said Hospital Nurses, you assumed that.

RomfordNavy said: The now deceased was under pressure from the Nurses to get a Will written, they had asked said friend to chase-up partially completed equity release on a property to cover the cost of having the Will written. [emphasis original]

I'm out, have fun everyone.

I bowed out a while back, but this thread is a bit like a scab that you can't stop coming back to .....

I imagine that the nurses the OP is referring to are not the 'medical' nurses that work in the hospital ward itself, but rather the palliative care nurses - from my recent experiences, the main palliative care charities assign the terminally ill a specific  'nurse' who may or may not be based in a hospital, but whose task is mainly concerned with smoothing the persons passing in ways other than soley medical - e.g. ensuring that benefits are claimed, wills are written, last wishes fulfilled etc.....

There's many posts where the op states the pressure was to change the Will to benefit the charities.

This thread is to see if we can help find ways for the op to challenge the new Will, I've suggested it's possible via the 'not if sound mind' route. Another route is proving that the charity did this and caused the Will to be changed under duress. The op has no doubt this happened and has happened to others in the padt, which is where we got on the heated debate of what proof in THIS case there is.

It's just trying to piece it all together to form a basis the op can use to overturn the Will, but I'm not what the friend witnessed for this to be used as evidence. 

74jax

Manxman_in_exile said:

Malthusian said:

RomfordNavy said:

Malthusian said:

What does that have to do with your allegation that hospital nurses (not charity fundraisers) applied pressure to the deceased?

I never said Hospital Nurses, you assumed that.

RomfordNavy said: The now deceased was under pressure from the Nurses to get a Will written, they had asked said friend to chase-up partially completed equity release on a property to cover the cost of having the Will written. [emphasis original]

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(I'd hate to offend the OP, but I wonder if English might not be their first language and that that may have contributed to a lot of the apparent confusion around their description of what has happened?  Apologies if I'm mistaken, but almost every aspect of this seems to have needed clarification as to what the OP has meant.)

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

I couldn't work out what it was, but yes, very important words used instead of the other, not understanding certain things and having to go over it again.....

I think you're right and a little more patience is perhaps needed to get the explanations needed. 

Thrugelmir

I've been an executor on several occcasions. When the deceased hasn't tidied up their affairs. Winding up the estate can be a long winded and time consuming affair. 

RomfordNavy

cymruchris said:

My dad left an instruction that the presence of the letter should only be revealed and produced in the event of the will being contested. If the will is administered as per his wishes, I imagine the letter will be destroyed. Therefore there is a possibility that a letter exists. There's no harm to double-check if you haven't done so already. I know it exists, as I was here when he gave it to the solicitor, but the person excluded from the will doesn't yet know of its existence. 

Well that is an interesting thought.  If the Solicitor who wrote the Will, but did not list themselves as reserve executor, has a letter of wills how will they ever know that the Will has been contested and to release the letter of wills?

RomfordNavy

74jax said:

We have no idea if that's 'better' or not.

Is it the facts?

If so then yes, facts are better than making something up, obviously.

Much of this is unwinding on a daily basis as I make contact with the deceased friends and seek their opinions so it may have been that at the time of my earlier post  I wasn't aware that they had not been asked to be an executor.  At the moment, until I get a bit more organised, I am burried in so much paper that I can't find the notes on when I actually became aware of that fact.

RomfordNavy

Malthusian said:

RomfordNavy said:

Malthusian said:

What does that have to do with your allegation that hospital nurses (not charity fundraisers) applied pressure to the deceased?

I never said Hospital Nurses, you assumed that.

RomfordNavy said: The now deceased was under pressure from the Nurses to get a Will written, they had asked said friend to chase-up partially completed equity release on a property to cover the cost of having the Will written. [emphasis original]

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Thank you for documenting that, it proves my point precisely.  Perhaps you do not appreciate that a dying person may well have visits from other Nurses who are not NHS Hospital Nurses.