Windows 11 installed itself on my computer without my knowledge

unforeseen

Works well on a TPM 1.2 machine as well with a simple registry hack during install. I have it running on a Latitude E5430. 

Ibrahim5

I was just about to upgrage my PC but my PC won't run Windows 11 according to Microsoft. So I won't bother. Just carry on with Windows 10. Give Windows 11 a miss. When is Windows 12 out?

Chino

Deleted_User said:

Some interesting information in this link about the benefits of the minimum security requirements:

Also interesting to note is that the source of those reported benefits is the totally unbiased and impartial source of a "partner director of enterprise and OS security at Microsoft".

[Deleted User]

Chino said:

Deleted_User said:

Some interesting information in this link about the benefits of the minimum security requirements:

Also interesting to note is that the source of those reported benefits is the totally unbiased and impartial source of a "partner director of enterprise and OS security at Microsoft".

A rather cynical view of things - if you lift the lid on that statement and understand the changes Microsoft have introduced with Windows 11 it all makes a lot of sense, in fact my only comment is that this should have been done years ago and doesn't go far enough.

The statement is reinforced with data from Windows defender that shows that users with all the key security features turned on have 60% fewer instances of malware detections.

Windows 11 is just enforcing security features that have been around for many years that most end users don't care to switch on or even understand what they do - TPM, secure boot, virtualisation based security, hypervisor protected code integrity, core isolation, memory integrity, Windows Hello biometric authentication and Bitlocker etc have been available in Windows 10 and Intel / AMD hardware for a very long time but never enforced, Windows 11 just makes them mandatory.

I've had all the above switched on for years because I understand computer security take every opportunity to harden my PC's and networks against security and malware threats but nearly every user outside of my profession doesn't bother with most them if they aren't already switched on. Windows 11 means users don't need to think about it or understand it, security will be switched on as standard.

Bitlocker is a great example, people have accepted their Apple phones being automatically encrypted for 6 years or more, yet hardly anybody I know switches bitlocker on for their laptop - by making security the default without needing the user to implement it, things can only get better.

It staggers me when I read these forums and see luddites advising others not to upgrade their systems, turn off windows updates, bypass security features, don't use a Microsoft account, set up a local account etc without realising the security implications.

The world is changing for security and we need to be ready for it. For example passwords are going to become a thing of the past and we need start changing things now. Aside from my work systems, I can't remember the last time I actually typed a password in, in fact I don't know 99.9% of my passwords - fingerprint, face recognition, yubi key, Google/Microsoft authenticator are all part of my authentication routines with Windows and far more secure than passwords.

Anyway if you are still not convinced, Windows 11 is free for Win 10 users, there is no catch, you get better security free of charge. If you don't like it or your hardware can't run it then Windows 10 will be supported for another 4 years.

Ibrahim5

I think if you use your PC day after day, year after year without any noticeable security issues then you don't bother too much about it. It seems that linux security is better than Windows or Apple so maybe that is the better way to go. Maybe start a dual boot with Linux and Windows 10. See if eventually I can live without Windows at all.

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Ibrahim5 said:

I think if you use your PC day after day, year after year without any noticeable security issues then you don't bother too much about it. It seems that linux security is better than Windows or Apple so maybe that is the better way to go. Maybe start a dual boot with Linux and Windows 10. See if eventually I can live without Windows at all.

There is no doubt that Windows has more occurrences of malware than Linux for example, so Linux does appear on the surface to be more secure, but I think a lot of that has to do with the user base. Anybody choosing to run Linux instead of Windows is likely to be a more technical user and is probably more savvy about security and good internet hygiene. Windows is designed to be easy to use for anybody and as a result attracts users that are more susceptible to malware and security issues in the first place.

I have dual boot with Linux on my laptop - more for a contingency and some special tasks but I still struggle with it, it is not as point and click friendly as Windows - installing software often results in needing to use the command line. I also have a couple of Linux servers running and I've had many a late night of blood, sweat and tears trying to do things that take seconds in Windows that have actually resulted in me bypassing the convoluted Linux hierarchy of security rights just to get things working.

debitcardmayhem

Of course if you have an i5-2540 with no TPM at all, you can still run Win11 on that in a Virtual machine, believe if W11 detects it is running in a virtual environment it does not check for TPM

Ibrahim5

I think Microsoft are still deciding what to do. Windows has generally very low system requirements apart from the TPM. They are excluding plenty of machines that are still working perfectly. Forcing people with good hardware to put it into landfill. Not good.

JJ_Egan

Nonsense who the  big words is going to scrap a PC just to get Win 11 when so many are loath to move away from Win 7 yet .

Ibrahim5

I have a 6th generation Intel CPU with a very fast SSD. Goes like a rocket. It will be working fine in 4 years time. What do I do when Windows 10 support finishes? Basically Microsoft are saying bin it.