Missing service - how bad is it?

daveyjp

He needs to find time. Very busy individuals who rely on vehicles for their job such as driving instructors, couriers etc don't miss vehicle services.

If the OP friend is really pushed National Tyres will do an oil and filter change in an hour max.

Flight3287462

BOWFER said:

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

As I tell my kids, if you do nothing else get the oil changed annually.

Isn't this old school thinking?
Our Land Rover is two years or 21000 miles for the first service (haven't checked any farther than that).
Why waste time and money on an oil change the manufacturer themselves doesn't deem necessary?

Have you looked at Land Rover's reliability?  Perhaps that is one of the reasons.  Of course if you have the vehicle for only 3-4 years from new it will in all likelihood be fine.  It's the dumb schmuk who buys it after the lease/pcp is done that will get the bills.  Of course long servicing intervals were introduced to help the fleet buyers keep costs down and have nothing to with longevity of the car.

An annual oil change is relatively inexpensive and just makes sense.

BOWFER

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

BOWFER said:

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

As I tell my kids, if you do nothing else get the oil changed annually.

Isn't this old school thinking?
Our Land Rover is two years or 21000 miles for the first service (haven't checked any farther than that).
Why waste time and money on an oil change the manufacturer themselves doesn't deem necessary?

Have you looked at Land Rover's reliability?  Perhaps that is one of the reasons.  Of course if you have the vehicle for only 3-4 years from new it will in all likelihood be fine.  It's the dumb schmuk who buys it after the lease/pcp is done that will get the bills.  Of course long servicing intervals were introduced to help the fleet buyers keep costs down and have nothing to with longevity of the car.

An annual oil change is relatively inexpensive and just makes sense.

Advances in oil have also allowed it to happen, it's not manufacturers pandering to fleet buyers and just 'hoping' it will be fine.
They'll have done their research as it isn't in their interests to have their engines compromised and face umpteen warranty claims.
Oil is better these days, it really is that simple.
Of course needless oil changes won't do any harm, but it's a bit like fancy pet food  - it only really makes the owner feel better.

RichardD1970

BOWFER said:

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

As I tell my kids, if you do nothing else get the oil changed annually.

Isn't this old school thinking?
Our Land Rover is two years or 21000 miles for the first service (haven't checked any farther than that).
Why waste time and money on an oil change the manufacturer themselves doesn't deem necessary?

My brother is a design engineer for BMW. He works on diesel engines. When he gets a new car, he, and the rest of the engineering team will run it for a gentle 1000km then change the oil (incidently to a different oil to the BMW recommended).

It may be "old school thinking", but I would rather take the advice of someone who has helped design and build these things for 30+ years.

BOWFER

RichardD1970 said:

BOWFER said:

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

As I tell my kids, if you do nothing else get the oil changed annually.

Isn't this old school thinking?
Our Land Rover is two years or 21000 miles for the first service (haven't checked any farther than that).
Why waste time and money on an oil change the manufacturer themselves doesn't deem necessary?

My brother is a design engineer for BMW. He works on diesel engines. When he gets a new car, he, and the rest of the engineering team will run it for a gentle 1000km then change the oil (incidently to a different oil to the BMW recommended).

It may be "old school thinking", but I would rather take the advice of someone who has helped design and build these things for 30+ years.

I don't own a BMW but, if I did, you'd have to forgive me for ignoring this anecdotal evidence and going with what BMW say in terms of intervals and oil type.

born_again

RichardD1970 said:

It may be "old school thinking", but I would rather take the advice of someone who has helped design and build these things for 30+ years.

That does not inspire any confidence what so ever in BMW designers.

It is many older people who seem to be stuck in the time loop, that oil needs to be changed far too often.

Flight3287462

born_again said:

It is many older people who seem to be stuck in the time loop, that oil needs to be changed far too often.

And what age is that, when you are deemed an "older person"?  Just to be safe what is a "younger person"?  And what are you if your in the middle!

Thomas_Holding

Thank you everyone.  I have passed on the advice and hope that it is listened to.

BOWFER

born_again said:

It is many older people who seem to be stuck in the time loop, that oil needs to be changed far too often.

You're right, IMO.
The same age group that think engines still have to run-in etc.
I'm 54, but they're a different generation that just hasn't moved on and don't keep up with technology.
So what applied to their Cortina GL in 1977 still applies.....

born_again

BOWFER said:

born_again said:

It is many older people who seem to be stuck in the time loop, that oil needs to be changed far too often.

You're right, IMO.
The same age group that think engines still have to run-in etc.
I'm 54, but they're a different generation that just hasn't moved on and don't keep up with technology.
So what applied to their Cortina GL in 1977 still applies.....

Well I'm over 60 and can not remember having to run either a new car or bike in for 20 years at least.

Still hear people say you need to change oil every 3 to 5K miles. Despite synthetic oils being hyped back in the 90's with a much longer lifespan.
But it's not my money they are wasting... Only the environment...

From 2008 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/oil-change-truths