SHOULD I BUY A DIESEL

maxmycardagain

A lot of this is down to manufacturers screwing more and more power out of the same engine over the years and by the removal of sulphur from diesel replacing it with silicon to lubricate high pressure fuel pumps (£2000 each) and HDI injectors (£560 for 1 on my Superb) - much to the delight of my favourite Delphi agent... hes bought a petrol Rolls Royce

Frankly, over 5 cars, we havent saved a bean by having diesels

maxmycardagain

sevenhills said:

I have owned a 2013 1.7 diesel for the last two years. I do around 4,000 miles per year.

I try to avoid short journies, but most of my journies are short. It did a regen when I was on the motorway around 18 months ago. I took it a little further and I haven't had any problems. I believe gentle acceleration helps create less soot.

I thought that till i ran with a BT OBD2 sender connected to my Android phone with "Torque" installed, youd be surprised what happens at light throttle settings, especially the EGR valve and DPF useage

maxmycardagain

mobileron said:

Gordon Brown said there ok?

He sold UK gold at an all time low price too

BOWFER

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

Avoid diesels for short trips and under 30,000 miles a year

why?
the car will be dearer than a petrol version to buy
dearer to service and more often
will cost a fortune to fix if it goes wrong
(recent bills £560/1 injector and £1200 for a DPF)
diesel is dearer than petrol at the pumps 

I had a petrol courtesy car in June for a day, it was nice to drive

and the "70mpg" diesel owners think they get?.......no chance

No excuse for anyone paying £1200 for a DPF
There's multiple ways to clean the one you've got, or even get a whole new one, for a fraction of that.
Buyer error.

well after 1 on an 2014 Audi A6 went tits up, had it cleaned (£325) and it lasted a week, Audi wanted £1200 then a Peugeot 508 1.6 had a DPF fail, dealer only part (new) cost £1200 I disagree If you ring Peugeot and ask for the cost you will soon realise im right (price was fitted inc vat)............and THEN after 6 months 20,000 miles the light came on again

we sold both cars ASAP

our cars are serviced with proper oil/filters and we use branded fuel, we dont do short hops, we could have had the CPF deleted but thats illegal

our cars are our business, we dont have time park up/lose wages nor borrow cars

I'm not doubting your statement that Peugeot wanted £1200 for a new DPF.
My point is there are plenty of cheaper options that don't involve the dealer.
Get a clean one on exchange from a DPF specialist, get one off a crashed low mileage car etc.etc.
You spending £1200 doesn't mean everyone has to.

maxmycardagain

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

Avoid diesels for short trips and under 30,000 miles a year

why?
the car will be dearer than a petrol version to buy
dearer to service and more often
will cost a fortune to fix if it goes wrong
(recent bills £560/1 injector and £1200 for a DPF)
diesel is dearer than petrol at the pumps 

I had a petrol courtesy car in June for a day, it was nice to drive

and the "70mpg" diesel owners think they get?.......no chance

No excuse for anyone paying £1200 for a DPF
There's multiple ways to clean the one you've got, or even get a whole new one, for a fraction of that.
Buyer error.

well after 1 on an 2014 Audi A6 went tits up, had it cleaned (£325) and it lasted a week, Audi wanted £1200 then a Peugeot 508 1.6 had a DPF fail, dealer only part (new) cost £1200 I disagree If you ring Peugeot and ask for the cost you will soon realise im right (price was fitted inc vat)............and THEN after 6 months 20,000 miles the light came on again

we sold both cars ASAP

our cars are serviced with proper oil/filters and we use branded fuel, we dont do short hops, we could have had the CPF deleted but thats illegal

our cars are our business, we dont have time park up/lose wages nor borrow cars

I'm not doubting your statement that Peugeot wanted £1200 for a new DPF.
My point is there are plenty of cheaper options that don't involve the dealer.
Get a clean one on exchange from a DPF specialist, get one off a crashed low mileage car etc.etc.
You spending £1200 doesn't mean everyone ha

So youd fit a dodgy recon or used DPF into a machine that is your living to save (how much) knowing it might not last?

Find me a price from your "DPF specialist" cos even the dealers sell recons for £650 with not much guarantee

Every day off the road is £100 to £200 lost, worst it could lose me a contract....

£500 plus fitting seems the "specialist" price, for a fix...

maxmycardagain

All the above doesnt change the facts of dearer to buy, dearer to service, more often to service and - if not Euro6 - liable to charges in any CAZ....

BOWFER

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

Avoid diesels for short trips and under 30,000 miles a year

why?
the car will be dearer than a petrol version to buy
dearer to service and more often
will cost a fortune to fix if it goes wrong
(recent bills £560/1 injector and £1200 for a DPF)
diesel is dearer than petrol at the pumps 

I had a petrol courtesy car in June for a day, it was nice to drive

and the "70mpg" diesel owners think they get?.......no chance

No excuse for anyone paying £1200 for a DPF
There's multiple ways to clean the one you've got, or even get a whole new one, for a fraction of that.
Buyer error.

well after 1 on an 2014 Audi A6 went tits up, had it cleaned (£325) and it lasted a week, Audi wanted £1200 then a Peugeot 508 1.6 had a DPF fail, dealer only part (new) cost £1200 I disagree If you ring Peugeot and ask for the cost you will soon realise im right (price was fitted inc vat)............and THEN after 6 months 20,000 miles the light came on again

we sold both cars ASAP

our cars are serviced with proper oil/filters and we use branded fuel, we dont do short hops, we could have had the CPF deleted but thats illegal

our cars are our business, we dont have time park up/lose wages nor borrow cars

I'm not doubting your statement that Peugeot wanted £1200 for a new DPF.
My point is there are plenty of cheaper options that don't involve the dealer.
Get a clean one on exchange from a DPF specialist, get one off a crashed low mileage car etc.etc.
You spending £1200 doesn't mean everyone ha

So youd fit a dodgy recon or used DPF into a machine that is your living to save (how much) knowing it might not last?

Find me a price from your "DPF specialist" cos even the dealers sell recons for £650 with not much guarantee

Every day off the road is £100 to £200 lost, worst it could lose me a contract....

£500 plus fitting seems the "specialist" price, for a fix...

Fine, pay £1200 then.
No skin off my nose.
But don't moan about it.

maxmycardagain

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

Avoid diesels for short trips and under 30,000 miles a year

why?
the car will be dearer than a petrol version to buy
dearer to service and more often
will cost a fortune to fix if it goes wrong
(recent bills £560/1 injector and £1200 for a DPF)
diesel is dearer than petrol at the pumps 

I had a petrol courtesy car in June for a day, it was nice to drive

and the "70mpg" diesel owners think they get?.......no chance

No excuse for anyone paying £1200 for a DPF
There's multiple ways to clean the one you've got, or even get a whole new one, for a fraction of that.
Buyer error.

well after 1 on an 2014 Audi A6 went tits up, had it cleaned (£325) and it lasted a week, Audi wanted £1200 then a Peugeot 508 1.6 had a DPF fail, dealer only part (new) cost £1200 I disagree If you ring Peugeot and ask for the cost you will soon realise im right (price was fitted inc vat)............and THEN after 6 months 20,000 miles the light came on again

we sold both cars ASAP

our cars are serviced with proper oil/filters and we use branded fuel, we dont do short hops, we could have had the CPF deleted but thats illegal

our cars are our business, we dont have time park up/lose wages nor borrow cars

I'm not doubting your statement that Peugeot wanted £1200 for a new DPF.
My point is there are plenty of cheaper options that don't involve the dealer.
Get a clean one on exchange from a DPF specialist, get one off a crashed low mileage car etc.etc.
You spending £1200 doesn't mean everyone ha

So youd fit a dodgy recon or used DPF into a machine that is your living to save (how much) knowing it might not last?

Find me a price from your "DPF specialist" cos even the dealers sell recons for £650 with not much guarantee

Every day off the road is £100 to £200 lost, worst it could lose me a contract....

£500 plus fitting seems the "specialist" price, for a fix...

Fine, pay £1200 then.
No skin off my nose.
But don't moan about it.

we had the "DPF clean" and forced regeneration, it only cost us more money

 so how many have you fixed, and by who pray tell, any recommendations most welcome

BOWFER

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

BOWFER said:

maxmycardagain said:

Avoid diesels for short trips and under 30,000 miles a year

why?
the car will be dearer than a petrol version to buy
dearer to service and more often
will cost a fortune to fix if it goes wrong
(recent bills £560/1 injector and £1200 for a DPF)
diesel is dearer than petrol at the pumps 

I had a petrol courtesy car in June for a day, it was nice to drive

and the "70mpg" diesel owners think they get?.......no chance

No excuse for anyone paying £1200 for a DPF
There's multiple ways to clean the one you've got, or even get a whole new one, for a fraction of that.
Buyer error.

well after 1 on an 2014 Audi A6 went tits up, had it cleaned (£325) and it lasted a week, Audi wanted £1200 then a Peugeot 508 1.6 had a DPF fail, dealer only part (new) cost £1200 I disagree If you ring Peugeot and ask for the cost you will soon realise im right (price was fitted inc vat)............and THEN after 6 months 20,000 miles the light came on again

we sold both cars ASAP

our cars are serviced with proper oil/filters and we use branded fuel, we dont do short hops, we could have had the CPF deleted but thats illegal

our cars are our business, we dont have time park up/lose wages nor borrow cars

I'm not doubting your statement that Peugeot wanted £1200 for a new DPF.
My point is there are plenty of cheaper options that don't involve the dealer.
Get a clean one on exchange from a DPF specialist, get one off a crashed low mileage car etc.etc.
You spending £1200 doesn't mean everyone ha

So youd fit a dodgy recon or used DPF into a machine that is your living to save (how much) knowing it might not last?

Find me a price from your "DPF specialist" cos even the dealers sell recons for £650 with not much guarantee

Every day off the road is £100 to £200 lost, worst it could lose me a contract....

£500 plus fitting seems the "specialist" price, for a fix...

Fine, pay £1200 then.
No skin off my nose.
But don't moan about it.

we had the "DPF clean" and forced regeneration, it only cost us more money

 so how many have you fixed, and by who pray tell, any recommendations most welcome

I could happily put you in touch with people who will fit a new aftermarket, or lightly used, DPF.
I could also happily recommend people who will clean them.
But seeing as I'm probably 400 miles at least from you, what would be the point?
By the time you drive up, your DPF would have burned off a heap of soot though.

Seriously, I don't know why you're taking the hump at me saying there's alternatives to paying £1200 at a main dealer.
It is MSE after all.

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FWiW, anyone who is only doing 6000 miles a year really needs to consider a secondhand EV. If I was still driving 25k miles a year then my default position would still be a diesel - ‘warts n all’.