Blue Badge application

born_again

swingaloo2 said:

My husband has a blue badge for the last 4 years but he needed to be on the higher rate of PIP mobility to qualify under the rules of our area.

Ours is 8 or more points in the moving around
or
10 points in the planning or following journeys

But the full criteria should be on your local council website.

melbury

born_again said:

swingaloo2 said:

My husband has a blue badge for the last 4 years but he needed to be on the higher rate of PIP mobility to qualify under the rules of our area.

Ours is 8 or more points in the moving around
or
10 points in the planning or following journeys

But the full criteria should be on your local council website.

He has got 10 points in the planning or following journeys, but apparently it now has to be for descriptor E and his is D.  

Just out of interest, how does the council know which descriptor you got?  Are they able to access your actual DWP detailed report?

Didn't realise that the rules had changed, last time they just sent the badge.

poppy12345

melbury said:

born_again said:

swingaloo2 said:

My husband has a blue badge for the last 4 years but he needed to be on the higher rate of PIP mobility to qualify under the rules of our area.

Ours is 8 or more points in the moving around
or
10 points in the planning or following journeys

But the full criteria should be on your local council website.

He has got 10 points in the planning or following journeys, but apparently it now has to be for descriptor E and his is D.  

Just out of interest, how does the council know which descriptor you got?  Are they able to access your actual DWP detailed report?

Didn't realise that the rules had changed, last time they just sent the badge.

When the new rules came out in England in 2019 for following and planning a journey for the BB it was always descriptor E that automatically qualified a person and no other descriptor.

For the moving around part it's always been 8 points or more. See link. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/blue-badge-can-i-get-one/can-i-get-a-blue-badge

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

Seems like last time he was just lucky that they awarded the BB without automatically qualifying.

born_again

poppy12345 said:

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

I know when my Mrs was assessed. She was asked if she had a BB. Which we had at that time already. So I wonder if they inform your local council to get one issued, if you do not have one. Although some local councils do have more lenient rules than the DWP for BB's.
But if they receive the details of the PIP assessment & it does not meet their criteria they might not renew.

Spoonie_Turtle

born_again said:

poppy12345 said:

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

I know when my Mrs was assessed. She was asked if she had a BB. Which we had at that time already. So I wonder if they inform your local council to get one issued, if you do not have one. Although some local councils do have more lenient rules than the DWP for BB's.
But if they receive the details of the PIP assessment & it does not meet their criteria they might not renew.

No, it's just part of the assessment (well, you'd think, unless they ignore the fact one has a BB anyway, but that's a separate issue).  

Here's the government guidance for Blue Badges https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-blue-badge-scheme-local-authority-guidance-england/blue-badge#determining-the-eligibility-of-individual-applicants

I know councils have varying automatic eligibility rules for bus passes, but for Blue Badges it appears the only discretion is in the 'subject to assessment' category, what they feel meets the threshold for "very considerable difficulty whilst walking".

poppy12345

born_again said:

poppy12345 said:

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

I know when my Mrs was assessed. She was asked if she had a BB. Which we had at that time already. So I wonder if they inform your local council to get one issued, if you do not have one. Although some local councils do have more lenient rules than the DWP for BB's.
But if they receive the details of the PIP assessment & it does not meet their criteria they might not renew.

DWP do not contact any Local councils regarding any BB entitlement. DWP do not have any rules for any BB because a local council isn't anything to do with DWP. The automatic entitlement is standard across all councils in England, as previously advised. Outside of that then they have their own rules.

I've had a BB since 2013 from automatic entitlement and lived in England the whole time and the rules have never changed. They added the following and planning a journey rules in 2019.

born_again

poppy12345 said:

born_again said:

poppy12345 said:

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

I know when my Mrs was assessed. She was asked if she had a BB. Which we had at that time already. So I wonder if they inform your local council to get one issued, if you do not have one. Although some local councils do have more lenient rules than the DWP for BB's.
But if they receive the details of the PIP assessment & it does not meet their criteria they might not renew.

DWP do not contact any Local councils regarding any BB entitlement. DWP do not have any rules for any BB because a local council isn't anything to do with DWP. The automatic entitlement is standard across all councils in England, as previously advised. Outside of that then they have their own rules.

I've had a BB since 2013 from automatic entitlement and lived in England the whole time and the rules have never changed. They added the following and planning a journey rules in 2019.

So just to be clear if you qualify for a BB under PIP. You have to contact your local council. It is not started as part of the PIP process.

poppy12345

born_again said:

poppy12345 said:

born_again said:

poppy12345 said:

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

I know when my Mrs was assessed. She was asked if she had a BB. Which we had at that time already. So I wonder if they inform your local council to get one issued, if you do not have one. Although some local councils do have more lenient rules than the DWP for BB's.
But if they receive the details of the PIP assessment & it does not meet their criteria they might not renew.

DWP do not contact any Local councils regarding any BB entitlement. DWP do not have any rules for any BB because a local council isn't anything to do with DWP. The automatic entitlement is standard across all councils in England, as previously advised. Outside of that then they have their own rules.

I've had a BB since 2013 from automatic entitlement and lived in England the whole time and the rules have never changed. They added the following and planning a journey rules in 2019.

So just to be clear if you qualify for a BB under PIP. You have to contact your local council. It is not started as part of the PIP process.

Yes, that's correct. You apply online here. https://www.gov.uk/apply-blue-badge then you will need to send your PIP award decision letter in as proof that you automatically qualify.

Not sure why you thought an application for a BB is started as part of the PIP process because they are 2 completely different things.

melbury

poppy12345 said:

melbury said:

born_again said:

swingaloo2 said:

My husband has a blue badge for the last 4 years but he needed to be on the higher rate of PIP mobility to qualify under the rules of our area.

Ours is 8 or more points in the moving around
or
10 points in the planning or following journeys

But the full criteria should be on your local council website.

He has got 10 points in the planning or following journeys, but apparently it now has to be for descriptor E and his is D.  

Just out of interest, how does the council know which descriptor you got?  Are they able to access your actual DWP detailed report?

Didn't realise that the rules had changed, last time they just sent the badge.

When the new rules came out in England in 2019 for following and planning a journey for the BB it was always descriptor E that automatically qualified a person and no other descriptor.

For the moving around part it's always been 8 points or more. See link. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/blue-badge-can-i-get-one/can-i-get-a-blue-badge

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

Seems like last time he was just lucky that they awarded the BB without automatically qualifying.

All that the PIP award provided to the Council showed was that he had been awarded 10 points under the Planning a Journey category, no mention of descriptors, which is why I wondered how they knew he was in category D rather than E.  Have now re-applied not using the PIP, so will undoubtedly get turned down again.

poppy12345

melbury said:

poppy12345 said:

melbury said:

born_again said:

swingaloo2 said:

My husband has a blue badge for the last 4 years but he needed to be on the higher rate of PIP mobility to qualify under the rules of our area.

Ours is 8 or more points in the moving around
or
10 points in the planning or following journeys

But the full criteria should be on your local council website.

He has got 10 points in the planning or following journeys, but apparently it now has to be for descriptor E and his is D.  

Just out of interest, how does the council know which descriptor you got?  Are they able to access your actual DWP detailed report?

Didn't realise that the rules had changed, last time they just sent the badge.

When the new rules came out in England in 2019 for following and planning a journey for the BB it was always descriptor E that automatically qualified a person and no other descriptor.

For the moving around part it's always been 8 points or more. See link. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/blue-badge-can-i-get-one/can-i-get-a-blue-badge

The only way your local council will know where the points were scored was if you sent a copy of your PIP award (which is needed as proof of automatically qualifying anyway) they don't have any access to any details from DWP for this.

Seems like last time he was just lucky that they awarded the BB without automatically qualifying.

All that the PIP award provided to the Council showed was that he had been awarded 10 points under the Planning a Journey category, no mention of descriptors, which is why I wondered how they knew he was in category D rather than E.  Have now re-applied not using the PIP, so will undoubtedly get turned down again.

If the all of the entire decision letter was sent then it shows a breakdown of where exactly the points where scored and this is how they know he didn't score them in the correct descriptor.