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Advice on what I can do about my Paralympic trip being cancelled .....Help please!!

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  • KRgrant
    KRgrant Posts: 24 Forumite
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    I only booked with Nirvana. I was NOT redirected to any sites to book anything at all. There is only 1 booking reference for the whole trip. The only money I have paid is to them directly for the deposit. I have 1 ATOL certificate that lists everything on it for the trip again with only 1 booking reference. Obviously the same number. 

    So to me that is a package booking plain and simple. 

    Please correct me if I am wrong. 


    Again thanks for everything everyone is doing. 

    I have sent them an email saying I want a refund siting the 14 days as mentioned above. I should get a reply tomorrow and will see what they say. 




  • KRgrant
    KRgrant Posts: 24 Forumite
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    Ps even the transfer from airport to hotel was arranged by Nirvana. 
  • sheramber
    sheramber Posts: 22,596 Forumite
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    They are quoting BA's refund terms so are treating it as additional services and have listed  it as that on the ATOL certificate.

    What options for flights did you get?
  • eskbanker
    eskbanker Posts: 37,282 Forumite
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    sheramber said:
    They are quoting BA's refund terms so are treating it as additional services and have listed  it as that on the ATOL certificate.
    Granted it's not an entirely consistent message but Nirvana certainly wouldn't be the first agent to try to obfuscate and claim that responsibility for flight refunds is dependent on airline policies, as seen with the likes of Loveholidays, Onthebeach, Lastminute, etc, but if the flights were booked with Nirvana rather than directly with BA, and included in the single booking invoice, etc, then it certainly appears to be a (flight-inclusive) package within the scope of the PTRs, on the basis that "those services are combined by one trader [...] before a single contract on all services is concluded".
  • sheramber
    sheramber Posts: 22,596 Forumite
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    Yes, it looks like they are trying to opt out. How many people would take notice of the 'additional services' on the ATOL certificate pr question what it means when they consider they booked a package holiday.
  • KRgrant
    KRgrant Posts: 24 Forumite
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    I picked what day and what class I wanted to fly and they did the rest 
  • KRgrant
    KRgrant Posts: 24 Forumite
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    Morning all a quick update on my predicament here is the reply I got back today from them after I sent my email giving them 14 days notice.

    Firstly, let me thank you for your patience as we attempt to deal with the issue and anomalies that continue to result from the coronavirus pandemic.

    We are doing our very best to resolve your problem but as you can imagine international travel and events are still subject to significant change on a daily basis.

    Looking into the circumstances of your booking, it is clear that the issue doesn’t relate to the ground package and we will be providing you with a  refund of £467.00 from the £520.00 paid, We have unavoidable costs due to bank and credit card charges, supplier and partner administration fees so will retain £52.00.

    However, the flights are proving to be a problem as British Airways is currently still operating the scheduled Tokyo service, therefore we are bound by their policy relating to customers wishing to make a ticket change.

    If the flight is operating to the published timetable at the time of booking, then BA will only offer a credit voucher to be used for future travel on their network up to April 2023.

    I realise that a voucher was an acceptable option for you, however BA were unwilling to change the passenger name on the ticket, this is in line with their booking terms.

    I realise how frustrating this will be but we are tied contractually to the terms of the carrier. In this case BA will only issue a full cash refund if the fight is cancelled or the schedule is subject to significant change.

    We really want to assist in any way we can with this situation and would certainly help you secure any future BA flights for you using this voucher.

    We are continuing to communicate with the airline on your behalf, however as long as the schedule remains unchanged they are staying firm with their terms and conditions.

    If the voucher is not acceptable, the only other option is to wait and see if the schedule does significantly change and BA issues a full cash refund. To be on the safe side we would suggest waiting until 23 August to see if there is a change made to the service, however there is no guarantee that this will happen. Clearly on 23 August a decision needs to be made to protect the voucher.

    We will monitor the situation for you and keep you updated.

    I hope this helps to explain the situation and I just want to reiterate that we are committed to help in any way we can to try and resolve this situation and get the best possible outcome for you.

    Kindest Regards

    Helen


    They are still trying to say the flights are separate service when I have gone back to my confirmation email (which I will put up in next post) I have noticed it also says separate services on there but probably unfortunately for me  didn't realise it states it on there as well :-(

  • KRgrant
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    edited 23 July 2021 at 11:55AM

    BOOKING CONFIRMATION FOR 2020 Summer Paralympics, Tokyo (Rescheduled to 2021)

    Dear Kevin xxxxxx

    Thank you for your booking placed with Nirvana Europe. Please take a moment to check the booking details below.

    If you have any questions or if any of the details are incorrect or you wish to change any element, please do not hesitate to contact us on 0191 257 1750 (office opening times 9am - 5pm, Monday - Friday).

    Booking Details

    Event

    2020 Summer Paralympics, Tokyo (Rescheduled to 2021)

    Event Date

    24/08/2021

    Lead First Name

    Kevin

    Lead Last Name

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Address Line 1

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Town / City

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Postcode

    xxxxxxxxxx

    Country

    xx

    Tel Nox

    Email Address

    ke**********************.com

    Reference No.

    B********8

    Booking Type

    Package

    Package Details

    Name

    Complete Ground Package – S***************Hotel

    Entry Slot Included

    No

    Event Transfer Included

    No

    Contracted Flight Included

    No

    Packaged Accommodation Details

    Name

    S*************************** Hotel

    Address

    3 C**************************ku, Tokyo,***********0**, Japan

    Room 1

    Room Type

    Double/Twin Room (2 guests sharing)

    Meal Basis

    Bed & Breakfast

    Assigned To

    Kevin xxxxxxxxxxx : 01/09/2021 - 15/09/2021
    Andrew xxxxxxxxxxx: 01/09/2021 - 15/09/2021

    Packaged Services

    Airport Transfer

    Narita or Haneda Return Airport Transfer Service

    Assigned To

    Kevin xxxxxxxxxxxx
    Andrew xxxxxxxxxxx

    Additional Services

    Flight No / Class

    BA5 / Premium Economy

    Departure

    LHR: *******************

    Arrival

    HND: *******************

    Assigned To

    Kevin xxxxxxxxxxxx
    Andrew xxxxxxxxxx

    Flight No / Class

    BA6 / Premium Economy

    Departure

    HND: *******************

    Arrival

    LHR: ********************

    Assigned To

    Kevin xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Andrew xxxxxxxxxxx

    Customer Notes

    Booking Notes

    Booked **************

    Booking Breakdown

    Total Booking Cost

    £ 6************0

    Total Paid to Date

    £ 3,************0

    Total Outstanding Balance

    £ *************0

    Balance Due Date

    ***************1

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  • KRgrant
    KRgrant Posts: 24 Forumite
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    As you have both had a look at this now and a value your input do you think it is now worth contacting my credit card company or am I totally at the hands of them praying for a refund :-( to happen.
  • eskbanker
    eskbanker Posts: 37,282 Forumite
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    They are clearly trying to assert that you booked a package and separately some flights, but I don't believe that position is tenable, based on the PTRs definitions quoted earlier, so yes, I think it's time to initiate a chargeback via the card company, making it clear that you dispute Nirvana's interpretation and seeking a full refund.

    By the way, you've left far too much identifying information in the above post (names, email address, booking reference, etc), so worth redacting more of it....
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