Including kitchen appliances as part of property price

musehead

AdrianC said:

musehead said:

I would assume that white goods are included in the sale unless specified otherwise at or before the time of viewing.

Assume all you like... the TA6 is the important thing.

Of course, but I'd be looking to alter my offer if I saw the TA6 and realised a vendor was planning on ripping out the oven and dishwasher etc having not mentioned it before 

paulj2021

zagubov said:

If you're moving into a house with white goods there, I'd leave your own behind and make it clear you're doing so. But you won't and your buyer won't expect this to affect the house price as who on earth would want to keep paying for these goods for 25 years?

I don’t know where this paying for 25 years thing comes from, I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m suggesting, which is to say to the buyer “this is the lowest price I can go to, but, if it helps, I can throw in the kitchen appliances” (which, by the way, are all free standing and not built in)

zagubov

paulj2021 said:

zagubov said:

If you're moving into a house with white goods there, I'd leave your own behind and make it clear you're doing so. But you won't and your buyer won't expect this to affect the house price as who on earth would want to keep paying for these goods for 25 years?

I don’t know where this paying for 25 years thing comes from, I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m suggesting, which is to say to the buyer “this is the lowest price I can go to, but, if it helps, I can throw in the kitchen appliances” (which, by the way, are all free standing and not built in)

Apologies if  have misread you but sometimes white goods are factored into the house price the mortgage ends up paying for, so the purchaser will end up paying a long-term price for a limited-term item.

Low interest rate doesn't compensate for the extended payback term.
I'm not being hypothetical here, we were really once presented with an inflated price because some ancient depreciating white goods were being used to inflate the value.

Didn't budge on price; goods got included anyway as it would have cost them to remove them.

pinkteapot

user1977 said:

It's pretty normal for appliances to be included, 

If built in, yes. 

If freestanding, no. 

AdrianC

musehead said:

AdrianC said:

musehead said:

I would assume that white goods are included in the sale unless specified otherwise at or before the time of viewing.

Assume all you like... the TA6 is the important thing.

Of course, but I'd be looking to alter my offer if I saw the TA6 and realised a vendor was planning on ripping out the oven and dishwasher etc having not mentioned it before 

By the second-hand value of fitted appliances, or by more?

Irishpearce26

musehead said:

AdrianC said:

musehead said:

I would assume that white goods are included in the sale unless specified otherwise at or before the time of viewing.

Assume all you like... the TA6 is the important thing.

Of course, but I'd be looking to alter my offer if I saw the TA6 and realised a vendor was planning on ripping out the oven and dishwasher etc having not mentioned it before 

You would need to specify that in your offer that this is based on the white goods staying. Typically unless they are integrated they aren't included. That's like saying you want to alter your offer because the vendor is taking the large TV with them.

AdrianC

Irishpearce26 said:

musehead said:

AdrianC said:

musehead said:

I would assume that white goods are included in the sale unless specified otherwise at or before the time of viewing.

Assume all you like... the TA6 is the important thing.

Of course, but I'd be looking to alter my offer if I saw the TA6 and realised a vendor was planning on ripping out the oven and dishwasher etc having not mentioned it before 

You would need to specify that in your offer that this is based on the white goods staying. Typically unless they are integrated they aren't included. That's like saying you want to alter your offer because the vendor is taking the large TV with them.

Nobody needs to specify anything in their offer. The exchange is based on what is agreed in the TA6 that forms part of the negotiated contract.

Either side can change anything for any reason or none right up to that point. The other side is, of course, free to disagree and ultimately walk away from the deal if no compromise can be agreed.

Negotiating a trivially minor price adjustment is going to cause more hassle than it's worth, especially if there's a mortgage offer already on the table.

Irishpearce26

AdrianC said:

Irishpearce26 said:

musehead said:

AdrianC said:

musehead said:

I would assume that white goods are included in the sale unless specified otherwise at or before the time of viewing.

Assume all you like... the TA6 is the important thing.

Of course, but I'd be looking to alter my offer if I saw the TA6 and realised a vendor was planning on ripping out the oven and dishwasher etc having not mentioned it before 

You would need to specify that in your offer that this is based on the white goods staying. Typically unless they are integrated they aren't included. That's like saying you want to alter your offer because the vendor is taking the large TV with them.

Nobody needs to specify anything in their offer. The exchange is based on what is agreed in the TA6 that forms part of the negotiated contract.

Either side can change anything for any reason or none right up to that point. The other side is, of course, free to disagree and ultimately walk away from the deal if no compromise can be agreed.

Negotiating a trivially minor price adjustment is going to cause more hassle than it's worth, especially if there's a mortgage offer already on the table.

Hence why I said unless you clearly state it in your offer. The OP was talking about negotiating the price if in the TA6 form the white goods aren't included.

Specifying things that are not clear but are a USP is actually a good idea, there has been many threads on here around a summer house and coffee machine where people thought it was included but the TA6 said otherwise. The consensus was that specifying certain things in your offer manages expectations and disappointment.

AdrianC

Irishpearce26 said:

AdrianC said:

Irishpearce26 said:

musehead said:

AdrianC said:

musehead said:

I would assume that white goods are included in the sale unless specified otherwise at or before the time of viewing.

Assume all you like... the TA6 is the important thing.

Of course, but I'd be looking to alter my offer if I saw the TA6 and realised a vendor was planning on ripping out the oven and dishwasher etc having not mentioned it before 

You would need to specify that in your offer that this is based on the white goods staying. Typically unless they are integrated they aren't included. That's like saying you want to alter your offer because the vendor is taking the large TV with them.

Nobody needs to specify anything in their offer. The exchange is based on what is agreed in the TA6 that forms part of the negotiated contract.

Either side can change anything for any reason or none right up to that point. The other side is, of course, free to disagree and ultimately walk away from the deal if no compromise can be agreed.

Negotiating a trivially minor price adjustment is going to cause more hassle than it's worth, especially if there's a mortgage offer already on the table.

Hence why I said unless you clearly state it in your offer. The OP was talking about negotiating the price if in the TA6 form the white goods aren't included.

Specifying things that are not clear but are a USP is actually a good idea, there has been many threads on here around a summer house and coffee machine where people thought it was included but the TA6 said otherwise. The consensus was that specifying certain things in your offer manages expectations and disappointment.

One of the EA pics on RM for this place actively showed the summerhouse, the whole summerhouse, nothing but the summerhouse.
We got the TA6... Summerhouse excluded.

When my mother was buying, the vendors vacillated back and forth over the range cooker, finally settling on it being available for a price barely below a brand new equivalent. Three guesses what she replied...

Irishpearce26

AdrianC said:

Irishpearce26 said:

AdrianC said:

Irishpearce26 said:

musehead said:

AdrianC said:

musehead said:

I would assume that white goods are included in the sale unless specified otherwise at or before the time of viewing.

Assume all you like... the TA6 is the important thing.

Of course, but I'd be looking to alter my offer if I saw the TA6 and realised a vendor was planning on ripping out the oven and dishwasher etc having not mentioned it before 

You would need to specify that in your offer that this is based on the white goods staying. Typically unless they are integrated they aren't included. That's like saying you want to alter your offer because the vendor is taking the large TV with them.

Nobody needs to specify anything in their offer. The exchange is based on what is agreed in the TA6 that forms part of the negotiated contract.

Either side can change anything for any reason or none right up to that point. The other side is, of course, free to disagree and ultimately walk away from the deal if no compromise can be agreed.

Negotiating a trivially minor price adjustment is going to cause more hassle than it's worth, especially if there's a mortgage offer already on the table.

Hence why I said unless you clearly state it in your offer. The OP was talking about negotiating the price if in the TA6 form the white goods aren't included.

Specifying things that are not clear but are a USP is actually a good idea, there has been many threads on here around a summer house and coffee machine where people thought it was included but the TA6 said otherwise. The consensus was that specifying certain things in your offer manages expectations and disappointment.

One of the EA pics on RM for this place actively showed the summerhouse, the whole summerhouse, nothing but the summerhouse.
We got the TA6... Summerhouse excluded.

When my mother was buying, the vendors vacillated back and forth over the range cooker, finally settling on it being available for a price barely below a brand new equivalent. Three guesses what she replied...

Im not sure whether you agree with me or not. Having a picture on marketing material doesn't confirm its included and the OP in the thread i was referring to had a discussion were the vendor said it may be included but not 100%. 

Let me guess the range cooker was left behind anyway?