Volvo electric car savings calculator - anyone make sense of this??

DrEskimo

ComicGeek said:

DrEskimo said:

ComicGeek said:

The reality is that I'm not willing to spend £60k on an electric car, I'm not willing to reduce the internal comfort I'm used to now to reduce this, I'm not able to reduce my car size significantly as I need the space for work and holidays etc. Yes, I could buy a second hand Leaf - but in the same way that I could have bought a second hand petrol Argo a few years ago, it just doesn't work for me.

So probably like a lot of people, there would have to be a compromise somewhere for me to make a change to EVs. If there's also no economic incentive in the running costs, then why would I bother? EVs have started to become a bit virtue signalling in our school car park, parked in between the large Land Rovers.

Your only options aren't a £60k overpriced, not particularly good Volvo EV, or a second hand Leaf.

There are plenty of options in between and will continue to grow over the next decade.

I've been looking very seriously over the last couple of months, haven't seen anything that would work for me within a sensible price range.

Out of interest, what would you rate? £40k budget - ideally the higher range over 200 miles, but probably could manage lower if needed with careful planning. Prefer a higher driving position so have historically kept with SUVs - need a good boot space for work, and good rear passenger space. 

Hyundai Kona or E-Niro would be a good shout. 

I'm personally waiting for the Model Y.

Other options include the Mercedes EQA ( surprisingly good efficiency and charging speed) and there is now also the Audi Q4 E-Tron. I-Pace also well rated. Not sure what prices the larger Audi E-Tron are now.

Not that I would buy any of these brand new.

Mobeer

The maths is wrong - the page loads for me showing a €48,810 saving on fuel alone over 3 years, based upon:
20000 km
1.45 €/l
7.6 l/100km

We can work it out:
20000 km * 7.6 l/100km = 1520 litres of fuel required per year

1520l * 1.45 €/l = €2204 cost per year

€2204 * 3 years = €6612 total cost for 3 years

Keep_pedalling

Steve182 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Steve182 said:

Ball park numbers for my BMW330E hybrid.

My home charger is rated at 3kw and takes just over 3 hours to charge. Let's call that 10 kwh

At 14p/Kwh the cost is £1.40

That achieves 10 miles on electric in real life so 14p/mile

Once battery is discharged I'm on petrol @ around £1.30/litre so let's call that £6/gallon

I've never measured it but I must get at least 35mpg from my car on petrol.

So that's 17p/mile

So where is the saving?

It's not fuel but company car tax!

My BIK for the hybrid is around £5K so paying  around £2K in tax annually
Were it a 3L diesel, BIK would be closer to £14K and I would be paying £5.6K in tax annually

Additionally, I charge it at work so my 10 mile journey home is almost free.

Savings in BIK are even greater for full EV's @ 2%

If that is the current model then you’re are getting terrible economy from its 12kWh battery, so I suspect it is the older 7.6kWh model, but even then you should do better in the summer months.

I get around 20 miles of town driving my Golf GTE (8.7kWk). Once out of town You get the best out of PHEVs by using the sat nav and let the car decide what power source to use and when, rather than driving in electric mode until there is nothing left in the battery.

I am on the Octopus Go tariff, so I get to charge the car for 5p/pKWh which will be even better when I go full electric later this year, and I should be able to achieve 1.5ppm for summer driving.

It's 2016.

I'd be interested in an off peak tariff at 5p/kwh if it was not just competitive for a few hours EV charging. I tried Octopus website but I could not get a quote without giving my email address. What's their daytime rate?  

My day rate is 14.1p (East Anglia). I currently have a PHEV so charging from 0-100% is not taking full advantage, but I have a VW ID3 on order and I expect to be covering 98% of my mileage from those 4 hour charges. 

ComicGeek

DrEskimo said:

ComicGeek said:

DrEskimo said:

ComicGeek said:

The reality is that I'm not willing to spend £60k on an electric car, I'm not willing to reduce the internal comfort I'm used to now to reduce this, I'm not able to reduce my car size significantly as I need the space for work and holidays etc. Yes, I could buy a second hand Leaf - but in the same way that I could have bought a second hand petrol Argo a few years ago, it just doesn't work for me.

So probably like a lot of people, there would have to be a compromise somewhere for me to make a change to EVs. If there's also no economic incentive in the running costs, then why would I bother? EVs have started to become a bit virtue signalling in our school car park, parked in between the large Land Rovers.

Your only options aren't a £60k overpriced, not particularly good Volvo EV, or a second hand Leaf.

There are plenty of options in between and will continue to grow over the next decade.

I've been looking very seriously over the last couple of months, haven't seen anything that would work for me within a sensible price range.

Out of interest, what would you rate? £40k budget - ideally the higher range over 200 miles, but probably could manage lower if needed with careful planning. Prefer a higher driving position so have historically kept with SUVs - need a good boot space for work, and good rear passenger space. 

Hyundai Kona or E-Niro would be a good shout. 

I'm personally waiting for the Model Y.

Other options include the Mercedes EQA ( surprisingly good efficiency and charging speed) and there is now also the Audi Q4 E-Tron. I-Pace also well rated. Not sure what prices the larger Audi E-Tron are now.

Not that I would buy any of these brand new.

I did look at the E-Niro, but they had it next to the Sportage in the showroom and it was significantly shorter than I'm used to. I've probably been too spoilt, but I found the whole interior really cheap.

I definitely wouldn't buy one brand new, but will be interesting to see how the value of the higher priced models holds/falls over the next few years.

I've never gone down the company car route before, but perhaps that's the only way I'm going to get an EV at the moment, with the low BIK.

DrEskimo

ComicGeek said:

DrEskimo said:

ComicGeek said:

DrEskimo said:

ComicGeek said:

The reality is that I'm not willing to spend £60k on an electric car, I'm not willing to reduce the internal comfort I'm used to now to reduce this, I'm not able to reduce my car size significantly as I need the space for work and holidays etc. Yes, I could buy a second hand Leaf - but in the same way that I could have bought a second hand petrol Argo a few years ago, it just doesn't work for me.

So probably like a lot of people, there would have to be a compromise somewhere for me to make a change to EVs. If there's also no economic incentive in the running costs, then why would I bother? EVs have started to become a bit virtue signalling in our school car park, parked in between the large Land Rovers.

Your only options aren't a £60k overpriced, not particularly good Volvo EV, or a second hand Leaf.

There are plenty of options in between and will continue to grow over the next decade.

I've been looking very seriously over the last couple of months, haven't seen anything that would work for me within a sensible price range.

Out of interest, what would you rate? £40k budget - ideally the higher range over 200 miles, but probably could manage lower if needed with careful planning. Prefer a higher driving position so have historically kept with SUVs - need a good boot space for work, and good rear passenger space. 

Hyundai Kona or E-Niro would be a good shout. 

I'm personally waiting for the Model Y.

Other options include the Mercedes EQA ( surprisingly good efficiency and charging speed) and there is now also the Audi Q4 E-Tron. I-Pace also well rated. Not sure what prices the larger Audi E-Tron are now.

Not that I would buy any of these brand new.

I did look at the E-Niro, but they had it next to the Sportage in the showroom and it was significantly shorter than I'm used to. I've probably been too spoilt, but I found the whole interior really cheap.

I definitely wouldn't buy one brand new, but will be interesting to see how the value of the higher priced models holds/falls over the next few years.

I've never gone down the company car route before, but perhaps that's the only way I'm going to get an EV at the moment, with the low BIK.

I can get an EV through salary sacrifice at my current workplace, but I still didn't see it being that cheap...I mean relative to a brand new lease yes, but that's not where my reference is!

My used Zoe has been so damn cheap that I struggle to think of anything to change it to. 150-miles on average and rarely had to worry about the fact it doesn't have fast DC charging as I rarely travel beyond it's range. If I do, a 20-30min top up on a 22kWh AC charger has been plenty and I typically just pair it with getting food or visiting somewhere.

I suspect when/if I have kids I will be looking at something more convenient in terms of space/charging. It's hard to look beyond something like a Model Y.

The ID4 is another car that's decent. The Skoda Enyaq if you want something similar from VAG.

BOWFER

Steve182 said:

I've not checked the calculation, but it should also be noted that they assume 23.9 kwh per 100km. In my experience ranges or distance per kWh  quoted for EV's by manufacturers are unachievable in real life conditions.

Unachievable how?
Without trying, I can usually get around 3 miles per KWH in an EV.
Friends test driving an electric Skoda Enyaq on Friday photographed the screen showing me they were getting 3 miles per KWH.
23.9 x 3 = 72 miles = 116 kms.

More gentle drivers are getting over 4miles per KWH.