I always get beeped at this jcn - is it me or every other driver on the road who is wrong?

BOWFER

JamoLew said:

There is a motorway junction that I use daily that regularly has drivers exiting only to immediately rejoin due to poor signage/not reading it correctly 

I had a BMW satnav that used to needlessly send me off at a particular junction near the borders, only to send me up the other side again.
I learned to ignore it, but it happens.

Supersonos

Biggus_Dickus said:

Jenni_D said:

Username03725 said:
If Hemel Council wanted it to be one lane on the slip they could have done that when they repainted the south bound slip into one lane.

The slip linked from the OP is one lane ... it only splits into two lanes right at the bottom. (As someone said previously - about 5-6 car lengths of two lanes).

The argument that using the left-hand lane to alleviate a tail-back on the slip-road is valid, but it would only reduce the tail-back by 4 or 5 cars,

This is wholly incorrect and shows a lack of common sense.

Having two lanes at the point where the traffic from the slip road has to give way means it's possible for twice as many cars to leave the slip road at a time.

The impact (if people use it correctly) is the junction can handle twice as many cars and would alleviate the tailback almost entirely, not just reduce the queue by 5 or 6 cars.

Sandtree

Supersonos said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

Jenni_D said:

Username03725 said:
If Hemel Council wanted it to be one lane on the slip they could have done that when they repainted the south bound slip into one lane.

The slip linked from the OP is one lane ... it only splits into two lanes right at the bottom. (As someone said previously - about 5-6 car lengths of two lanes).

The argument that using the left-hand lane to alleviate a tail-back on the slip-road is valid, but it would only reduce the tail-back by 4 or 5 cars,

This is wholly incorrect and shows a lack of common sense.

Having two lanes at the point where the traffic from the slip road has to give way means it's possible for twice as many cars to leave the slip road at a time.

The impact (if people use it correctly) is the junction can handle twice as many cars and would alleviate the tailback almost entirely, not just reduce the queue by 5 or 6 cars.

That would only apply if both lanes either were applicable to all exits from the roundabout or each exit was equally popular. 

As there are no road markings or signs then the standard highway code guidance applies that if you wish to take the last exit you should be in the right lane. As there are only two exists the left lane is first exit only. In this case that is to rejoin the road you've just left and whilst some will want to do this its clearly not going to be the most common route.

BOWFER said:

JamoLew said:

There is a motorway junction that I use daily that regularly has drivers exiting only to immediately rejoin due to poor signage/not reading it correctly 

I had a BMW satnav that used to needlessly send me off at a particular junction near the borders, only to send me up the other side again.
I learned to ignore it, but it happens.

My Mercedes one used to do that too with a road in London... it still caught me out occasionally. My old TomTom used to do it with a few slip roads but none on a route taken often enough to remember to ignore it.

Flight3287462

Supersonos said:

This is wholly incorrect and shows a lack of common sense.

Having two lanes at the point where the traffic from the slip road has to give way means it's possible for twice as many cars to leave the slip road at a time.

The impact (if people use it correctly) is the junction can handle twice as many cars and would alleviate the tailback almost entirely, not just reduce the queue by 5 or 6 cars.

What a load of nonsense, the markings are clear and it is single lane around the roundabout. Just admit it you are making your life difficult for everyone involved for the sake of a saved few seconds.  One day you will encounter the wrong person and will have an accident at best.  Then try explaining your theory to your insurers.

Biggus_Dickus

Supersonos said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

Jenni_D said:

Username03725 said:
If Hemel Council wanted it to be one lane on the slip they could have done that when they repainted the south bound slip into one lane.

The slip linked from the OP is one lane ... it only splits into two lanes right at the bottom. (As someone said previously - about 5-6 car lengths of two lanes).

The argument that using the left-hand lane to alleviate a tail-back on the slip-road is valid, but it would only reduce the tail-back by 4 or 5 cars,

This is wholly incorrect and shows a lack of common sense.

Having two lanes at the point where the traffic from the slip road has to give way means it's possible for twice as many cars to leave the slip road at a time.

The impact (if people use it correctly) is the junction can handle twice as many cars and would alleviate the tailback almost entirely, not just reduce the queue by 5 or 6 cars.

I did consider that scenario and you make a valid point but the two lanes of traffic crossing the junction don’t stay as two lanes for very long and I guess it all depends how busy the traffic actually is. Does it get so busy that the traffic is backed up and slow moving immediately after the slip-road junction?... or is it usually clear?

 If it’s very busy then the bottle-neck becomes the point at which the you need to merge back into the traffic on your right rather than the junction itself;...a point I did try to make, rather clumsily, in the part of my paragraph that you snipped.  If it’s free flowing after the junction then fair do’s;...as I said, I have no local knowledge.

It seems to me that you have two choices;...queue patiently in the right hand lane or carry on doing what you’re doing.

You seem like the type of guy who can cope with the occasional hand gestures and mouthed insults but beware of the irate white-van-man who’s having a really bad day,...he may just side swipe you. I’ve seen it happen. As you stated in your thread starter you’ve already had a close-shave.

 I don’t much care for the personal insult by the way @Supersonos

prowla

It looks to me like the road continuing to the right is 2 cars wide and then narrows again to go under the bridge, but I don't see the point of making that 50-yard stretch two lanes wide, TBH.

I suppose that until the council put in road markings to say otherwise, it's a free-for-all there.

That said, we in the UK do seem to have an inability to grasp the concept of zipper-merge; if everybody went onto the junction left-lane, right-lane, etc. then there'd be no ability to be perceived to be jumping the queue!

theoretica

In common with many questions of the 'is it me or X who is wrong?' I think the answer is both.  Or in this case there are three wrongs.  Whoever painted the road and did not signpost it unambiguously. The OP who is not driving as other drivers expect, and giving rise to irritated drivers.  And indeed they have a good point that if the traffic used both lanes that junction might work well.