Can temporary traffic lights record your vehicle?

BOWFER

scrappy_returns said:

ontheroad1970 said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

And what's lost on you is that are scenarios where progressing through a red light is perfectly safe.
Literally no hidden hazards waiting to catch out the dopey or blind.
Frankly I'm still baffled by you thinking a closed road would have temporary lights.
IT'S CLOSED!!   

By the lights? Yes, of course. And yes, of course if you proceed past any sort of warning or control you may be fine. Or you may, regardless of if you are dopey or blind or not, come a cropper.

Shaking my head.  Having temporary lights doesn't close the road.  If they are at red, then it effectively ,makes it impassible, but that is different to it being closed.

It's not open to vehicular traffic at that point is it? Unless schrodinger's cat is driving?

So a pelican crossing can be considered a road closure?

scrappy_returns

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

ontheroad1970 said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

And what's lost on you is that are scenarios where progressing through a red light is perfectly safe.
Literally no hidden hazards waiting to catch out the dopey or blind.
Frankly I'm still baffled by you thinking a closed road would have temporary lights.
IT'S CLOSED!!   

By the lights? Yes, of course. And yes, of course if you proceed past any sort of warning or control you may be fine. Or you may, regardless of if you are dopey or blind or not, come a cropper.

Shaking my head.  Having temporary lights doesn't close the road.  If they are at red, then it effectively ,makes it impassible, but that is different to it being closed.

It's not open to vehicular traffic at that point is it? Unless schrodinger's cat is driving?

So a pelican crossing can be considered a road closure?

That's some fine whatabboutery right there.

BOWFER

scrappy_returns said:

That's some fine whatabboutery right there.

You're the king of whatabouttery here.
You made the leap from temporary red lights to people ignoring closed roads (that weren't actually signposted as closed, but that appears to be by the by).

Ganga

And once  again some people have gone off topic to have a keyboard spat ,why does it always end up this way 

ontheroad1970

scrappy_returns said:

ontheroad1970 said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

And what's lost on you is that are scenarios where progressing through a red light is perfectly safe.
Literally no hidden hazards waiting to catch out the dopey or blind.
Frankly I'm still baffled by you thinking a closed road would have temporary lights.
IT'S CLOSED!!   

By the lights? Yes, of course. And yes, of course if you proceed past any sort of warning or control you may be fine. Or you may, regardless of if you are dopey or blind or not, come a cropper.

Shaking my head.  Having temporary lights doesn't close the road.  If they are at red, then it effectively ,makes it impassible, but that is different to it being closed.

It's not open to vehicular traffic at that point is it? Unless schrodinger's cat is driving?

A road is not closed to vehicular traffic on the basis of a red traffic light.  Simples.  It is still open, even if a person driving on it gets a wait, long or otherwise behind the red light.  The road is still open, and if after a reasonable period of time, the temporary lights don't change then it would likely be considered not in the public interest to prosecute someone for passing a red light.  

It needs more  than simply a red light to close a road.  It needs signs, a diversion and coordination with the local authority.  If you work for Highways England, I have to wonder about their training.

teachfast

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

Cisco001 said:

Is there any road workers ahead doing some construction works?

They could hold everyone up to 10 mins to do some quick road repairs.

Seriously?
How come everyone else has taken it as read that the OP isn't ignoring reds where he doesn't have a clean line of sight?

I had the same sort of response when I mentioned I was ignoring some reds on my drive to work during lockdown on here.
There's always someone will suggest some fanciful scenario and not just take it that I'm not a nutter and can clearly see it's safe to go.

I remember when a HATO (dating when this happened) thought that about a road I had closed. He didnt see the winch wire across the road as it was dark. Felt it though. Made a real mess of the the front of his discovery.

Another acronym for you: DHOTYA

scrappy_returns

teachfast said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

Cisco001 said:

Is there any road workers ahead doing some construction works?

They could hold everyone up to 10 mins to do some quick road repairs.

Seriously?
How come everyone else has taken it as read that the OP isn't ignoring reds where he doesn't have a clean line of sight?

I had the same sort of response when I mentioned I was ignoring some reds on my drive to work during lockdown on here.
There's always someone will suggest some fanciful scenario and not just take it that I'm not a nutter and can clearly see it's safe to go.

I remember when a HATO (dating when this happened) thought that about a road I had closed. He didnt see the winch wire across the road as it was dark. Felt it though. Made a real mess of the the front of his discovery.

Another acronym for you: DHOTYA

I had to Google that, but could only find something on Twitter and that was didn't happen of the year award and obviously you can't have meant that. So what did you mean?

scrappy_returns

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

That's some fine whatabboutery right there.

You're the king of whatabouttery here.
You made the leap from temporary red lights to people ignoring closed roads (that weren't actually signposted as closed, but that appears to be by the by).

More swerving, do you have an actual point or is the whatabboutery sufficient for you? 
My point is "clear"; sometimes it may appear to a driver that it is "clearly" safe to proceed, however that is not the same as being safe to proceed, to use your own words.

ontheroad1970

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

That's some fine whatabboutery right there.

You're the king of whatabouttery here.
You made the leap from temporary red lights to people ignoring closed roads (that weren't actually signposted as closed, but that appears to be by the by).

More swerving, do you have an actual point or is the whatabboutery sufficient for you? 
My point is "clear"; sometimes it may appear to a driver that it is "clearly" safe to proceed, however that is not the same as being safe to proceed, to use your own words.

That's different thing entirely to the road being actually closed.

BOWFER

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

That's some fine whatabboutery right there.

You're the king of whatabouttery here.
You made the leap from temporary red lights to people ignoring closed roads (that weren't actually signposted as closed, but that appears to be by the by).

More swerving, do you have an actual point or is the whatabboutery sufficient for you? 
My point is "clear"; sometimes it may appear to a driver that it is "clearly" safe to proceed, however that is not the same as being safe to proceed, to use your own words.

Your posts have been anything but clear.
We had a scenario where it appeared someone drove down a closed road that didn't have a closed road sign and hit a cable at night...or something...
Then we had scenarios where closed roads had temporary traffic lights.....
Swap clear for confused.