Can temporary traffic lights record your vehicle?

BOWFER

Aretnap said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I remember when a HATO (dating when this happened) thought that about a road I had closed. He didnt see the winch wire across the road as it was dark. Felt it though. Made a real mess of the the front of his discovery.

How does someone ignoring a 'road closed' sign equate to what's being talked about here?

Why are you assuming there was a road closed sign? There wasn't.
What you are talking about is your ability to see "clearly" that it was safe to proceed. I'm talking about a HATO that also thought they could "clearly" see it was safe to proceed. However it wasnt the case.

Maybe if you cluld explain what a HATO is I'll be able to make sense of this nonsense....
Imagine me thinking there would be a road closed sign on a closed road, how silly of me....

HATO = Highways Agency Traffic Officer

The point of the story is a little lost on me as well, but as far as I can tell it's that someone somewhere once failed to spot a hazard in the road and had an accident. And this proves that you cannot possibly look for hazards yourself and judge whether it is safe to proceed, and if you even think about proceeding slowly and with caution you will end up running over a crowd of nuns and kittens. Or something. 

Haha, very well put - bravo

scrappy_returns

Aretnap said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I remember when a HATO (dating when this happened) thought that about a road I had closed. He didnt see the winch wire across the road as it was dark. Felt it though. Made a real mess of the the front of his discovery.

How does someone ignoring a 'road closed' sign equate to what's being talked about here?

Why are you assuming there was a road closed sign? There wasn't.
What you are talking about is your ability to see "clearly" that it was safe to proceed. I'm talking about a HATO that also thought they could "clearly" see it was safe to proceed. However it wasnt the case.

Maybe if you cluld explain what a HATO is I'll be able to make sense of this nonsense....
Imagine me thinking there would be a road closed sign on a closed road, how silly of me....

HATO = Highways Agency Traffic Officer

The point of the story is a little lost on me as well, but as far as I can tell it's that someone somewhere once failed to spot a hazard in the road and had an accident. And this proves that you cannot possibly look for hazards yourself and judge whether it is safe to proceed, and if you even think about proceeding slowly and with caution you will end up running over a crowd of nuns and kittens. Or something. 

Or moreso; the road is closed for a reason, be it by temp lights or any other method. As a driver deciding you know better can be costly and dangerous. And yes, the HATO did proceed slowly, didnt make any difference to the outcome. Nuns and kittens in roadworks sounds like a whole other hazard. Due to the lack of hi vis.

BOWFER

scrappy_returns said:

Or moreso; the road is closed for a reason, be it by temp lights or any other method. As a driver deciding you know better can be costly and dangerous. And yes, the HATO did proceed slowly, didnt make any difference to the outcome. Nuns and kittens in roadworks sounds like a whole other hazard. Due to the lack of hi vis.

Closed roads don't have temporary lights.
They don't have road closed signs either, if you have anything to do with it apparently.

scrappy_returns

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

Or moreso; the road is closed for a reason, be it by temp lights or any other method. As a driver deciding you know better can be costly and dangerous. And yes, the HATO did proceed slowly, didnt make any difference to the outcome. Nuns and kittens in roadworks sounds like a whole other hazard. Due to the lack of hi vis.

Closed roads don't have temporary lights.
They don't have road closed signs either, if you have anything to do with it apparently.

They do have temp lights if the closure is only short. I recently had an investigation where the live lane was closed and a worker was in it using temp lights. Old giffer driving decided it was "clearly" safe to proceed and hit the worker. Not too badly injured but the broken windscreen screen took all the skin off his back. I hope he didn't like that tattoo.

BOWFER

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

Or moreso; the road is closed for a reason, be it by temp lights or any other method. As a driver deciding you know better can be costly and dangerous. And yes, the HATO did proceed slowly, didnt make any difference to the outcome. Nuns and kittens in roadworks sounds like a whole other hazard. Due to the lack of hi vis.

Closed roads don't have temporary lights.
They don't have road closed signs either, if you have anything to do with it apparently.

They do have temp lights if the closure is only short. I recently had an investigation where the live lane was closed and a worker was in it using temp lights. Old giffer driving decided it was "clearly" safe to proceed and hit the worker. Not too badly injured but the broken windscreen screen took all the skin off his back. I hope he didn't like that tattoo.

What?
A proper road closure doesn't have temporary lights, because it's closed!
What you're talking about it is someone briefly keeping both sets of lights at red for a wee while, so something on the open lane can be done extremely quickly.
That's not a road closure by any stretch of the imagination!
That's like saying a pelican crossing is a road closure.
And you seem to know a lot of myopic people....

scrappy_returns

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

Or moreso; the road is closed for a reason, be it by temp lights or any other method. As a driver deciding you know better can be costly and dangerous. And yes, the HATO did proceed slowly, didnt make any difference to the outcome. Nuns and kittens in roadworks sounds like a whole other hazard. Due to the lack of hi vis.

Closed roads don't have temporary lights.
They don't have road closed signs either, if you have anything to do with it apparently.

They do have temp lights if the closure is only short. I recently had an investigation where the live lane was closed and a worker was in it using temp lights. Old giffer driving decided it was "clearly" safe to proceed and hit the worker. Not too badly injured but the broken windscreen screen took all the skin off his back. I hope he didn't like that tattoo.

What?
A proper road closure doesn't have temporary lights, because it's closed!
What you're talking about it is someone briefly keeping both sets of lights at red for a wee while, so something on the open lane can be done extremely quickly.
That's not a road closure by any stretch of the imagination!
That's like saying a pelican crossing is a road closure.
And you seem to know a lot of myopic people....

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

BOWFER

scrappy_returns said:

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

And what's lost on you is that are scenarios where progressing through a red light is perfectly safe.
Literally no hidden hazards waiting to catch out the dopey or blind.
Frankly I'm still baffled by you thinking a closed road would have temporary lights.
IT'S CLOSED!!   

scrappy_returns

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

And what's lost on you is that are scenarios where progressing through a red light is perfectly safe.
Literally no hidden hazards waiting to catch out the dopey or blind.
Frankly I'm still baffled by you thinking a closed road would have temporary lights.
IT'S CLOSED!!   

By the lights? Yes, of course. And yes, of course if you proceed past any sort of warning or control you may be fine. Or you may, regardless of if you are dopey or blind or not, come a cropper.

ontheroad1970

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

And what's lost on you is that are scenarios where progressing through a red light is perfectly safe.
Literally no hidden hazards waiting to catch out the dopey or blind.
Frankly I'm still baffled by you thinking a closed road would have temporary lights.
IT'S CLOSED!!   

By the lights? Yes, of course. And yes, of course if you proceed past any sort of warning or control you may be fine. Or you may, regardless of if you are dopey or blind or not, come a cropper.

Shaking my head.  Having temporary lights doesn't close the road.  If they are at red, then it effectively ,makes it impassible, but that is different to it being closed.

scrappy_returns

ontheroad1970 said:

scrappy_returns said:

BOWFER said:

scrappy_returns said:

I don't know any of these people. If they didn't have accidents I wouldnt have met them. If they didn't proceed when they "clearly" thought it was safe they wouldn't have had accidents.

Which is my entire point. I get the impression that is lost on you.

And a road you can't drive down because of temporary lights or any other TM is very much closed, otherwise you'd be able to use it, obviously. 

And what's lost on you is that are scenarios where progressing through a red light is perfectly safe.
Literally no hidden hazards waiting to catch out the dopey or blind.
Frankly I'm still baffled by you thinking a closed road would have temporary lights.
IT'S CLOSED!!   

By the lights? Yes, of course. And yes, of course if you proceed past any sort of warning or control you may be fine. Or you may, regardless of if you are dopey or blind or not, come a cropper.

Shaking my head.  Having temporary lights doesn't close the road.  If they are at red, then it effectively ,makes it impassible, but that is different to it being closed.

It's not open to vehicular traffic at that point is it? Unless schrodinger's cat is driving?